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seoulunitarian · Joined: 06 Jul 2004

I thought this little gem from CNN.com would add some interesting fodder for the conversation in the "Proud to be an Atheist" thread~

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/US/11/03/haggard.allegations/index.html

Junior · Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Location: the eye

Pligganease · Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: The deep south...

I love the interview where the reporter caught him at his house.

He says he bought meth on several occasions, but "threw it away" and never used it.

Also, he hired the male prostitute for a "massage."

All that happened was this man was a good speaker, found a way to make a lot of money off of that talent (leading a church), and probably never believed any of it. To him, it wasn't a mission, it was a job.

Him being gay is not at all bad. Him being gay and condemning others exactly like himself in order to make a buck is disgusting.

insamjunkie · Joined: 04 Oct 2006

spliff · Joined: 19 Jan 2004 Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

Who cares if he's a packer, the real question is...is he a freebaser or a runner? Very Happy

insamjunkie · Joined: 04 Oct 2006

happeningthang · Joined: 26 Apr 2003

Isn't this just further proof that the more rabidly homophobic you are the gayer you are?? Protesting too much and all that...

Too much repression makes a gay guy a republican, protestant evangelical.

canuckistan · Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:54 am Post subject:

Ya-ta Boy · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994

seoulunitarian · Joined: 06 Jul 2004

I need to apologize to the readers of this thread. My original post was a bit mean-spirited. I have read Ted and Gayle Haggard's statements on their church website, and my heart is filled with sadness for both of them. I pray for their healing, and encourage everyone else to do the same. I am not an evangelical, but I believe the same Spirit ties us all together, and in that Spirit I hope for their peace and healing.

Peace

cerulean808 · Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Location: Seoul

seoulunitarian

canuckistan · Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:53 pm Post subject: Re: apology

Meegook · Joined: 12 Oct 2006

The man was a sinner who confessed to God that fact.

He also has confesssed for his recent sins:

""I am guilty of sexual immorality ... I am a deceiver and a liar. There is a part of my life that is so repulsive and dark that I've been warring against it all of my adult life," Haggard said in the letter, which was reads by a church overseer during a Sunday morning service.

"... from time to time, the dirt that I thought was gone would resurface, and I would find myself thinking thoughts and experiencing desires that were contrary to everything I believe and teach," he said."

He says the struggle he has had against these sins has been something he's fought all his adult life.

"I've been warring against it all of my adult life,"

This is no different than the woman caught in adultery. And those who caught her in the act wanted to stone her.

Jesus Christ said to them, "He that is without sin cast the first stone."

Look at all of you casting stones. How many of you are without sin?

laogaiguk · Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea

Meegook · Joined: 12 Oct 2006

Granted, but you're a hypocrite just as much as he is because you are condemning him when you yourself are not without sin.

Ro 2:3

So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God's judgment?

Mt 7:2

For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

God will judge us in the same manner we judge others.

Selah.