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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
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 Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:20 pm Post subject: Go Canada |
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I guess not only can you get a degree, let out for Christmas and other holidays, request pool tables and large screen TVs, but this...
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Deep six tattoos
As published on page D10 on November 4, 2006
The federal government is right to suspend the pilot project of putting tattoo parlours in prisons, something that has cost $700,000 in one year.
It was a misguided experiment in the first place and the Union of Canadian Correctional Officers whose members are on the prison front lines every day are attesting to the fact. Unauthorized tattooing is still going on, inmates are stealing material, inmates are engaged in "muscling" to see who will get their tattoos first, and the additional resulting workload detracts from the guards doing their other crucial duties. But the best argument is that taxpayers simply should not be paying for tattooing prison inmates. They are in prison for two reasons: punishment and rehabilitation. And since most of them will be released on parole - sooner rather than later for the bulk of them - if any additional funds are available, then they should be put towards effective rehabilitation programs, not tattoos. That would be the responsible route.
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Luckily, they atleast axed it. Giving them free tatoos. Left winged nuts are just as stupid and right winged ones. Seriously, free tatoos (costing $700000 of tax payer money) for inmates...  |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: Go Canada |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| Left winged nuts are just as stupid and right winged ones. Seriously, free tatoos (costing $700000 of tax payer money) for inmates... |
Sorry. Not quite seeing the connection here. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: Go Canada |
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| twg wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
| Left winged nuts are just as stupid and right winged ones. Seriously, free tatoos (costing $700000 of tax payer money) for inmates... |
Sorry. Not quite seeing the connection here. |
Only an extreme lefty would think of giving prisoners that kind of service. Stupid. An extreme righty would torture him, and an extreme lefty would give him a hooker. Neither should ever have the power to make decisions. Only balanced people, and whoever thought up tattoo parlours in prison is not. |
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ThePoet
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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An extreme lefty or an extreme righty should not make political decisions....only balanced people.
Well, I guess then, that there should be no goverments beause I've never sen a balanced politician. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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Its a terrible decison, now prisoners will tatto themselves with homemade products thus causing a rise in HIV and Hep infections, which means we will be spending millions on healthcare for these people now. Smart move! Really great long term thinking.
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: Go Canada |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| An extreme righty would torture him, and an extreme lefty would give him a hooker. |
This seems more like a move to keep the prisoners from passing nasty things like Hep C around because they're making their tattoos anyway using home-made tools.
Not a lot of sterilization going on with a sharpened spoon that was smuggled out of the prison cafeteria in an inmate's ass-cheeks, if you get what I mean. |
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Hollywoodaction
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
| Its a terrible decison, now prisoners will tatto themselves with homemade products thus causing a rise in HIV and Hep infections, which means we will be spending millions on healthcare for these people now. Smart move! Really great long term thinking, dumbasses. |
Just playing the devil's advocate...In the end, them going to an early grave will save tax payers millions because dead criminals don't commit crimes or spend years in prison. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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Except HIV and Hep med's cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, it is more expensive to have sick and dying inmates than it is to have healthy inmates. Not to mention that if you have uncontrolled needles/homemade tatto instruments they poise more of a risk to guards than do ones that can be counted, controlled and watched in a tatto parlours. And this could be a good vocation for inmates who will get out. I would rather have educated cons comming out who are less likely to commit crimes to make a living.
Why is it that country's with "leftist" prison policies (Sweden, Canada) have less crime than the US and their three strikes poolicy? hmmmm, think, we don't do none of that stuff! |
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laogaiguk
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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Except HIV and Hep med's cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, it is more expensive to have sick and dying inmates than it is to have healthy inmates. Not to mention that if you have uncontrolled needles/homemade tatto instruments they poise more of a risk to guards than do ones that can be counted, controlled and watched in a tatto parlours. And this could be a good vocation for inmates who will get out. I would rather have educated cons comming out who are less likely to commit crimes to make a living.
Why is it that country's with "leftist" prison policies (Sweden, Canada) have less crime than the US and their three strikes poolicy? hmmmm, think, we don't do none of that stuff! |
There are limits, and paying for tatoos is crossing one of them. They should be afforded the same rights as another person to the maximum incarceration can afford. I can't get free tattoos, so they shouldn't. If they get a degree, it should be funded the same as me, through loans or scholarships. It's really that simple. While I am not surprised at the answers on here, it still makes me wonder.
Also, lower crime means something before prison policies is working, not the prison policies themselves. And teaching them how do tattoos is about the stupidest thing I have heard in awhile. If you are going to retrain them (good idea), pick something better than that. |
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laogaiguk
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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| ThePoet wrote: |
An extreme lefty or an extreme righty should not make political decisions....only balanced people.
Well, I guess then, that there should be no goverments beause I've never sen a balanced politician. |
By balanced, I mean not extreme. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:09 am Post subject: Re: Go Canada |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| twg wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
| Left winged nuts are just as stupid and right winged ones. Seriously, free tatoos (costing $700000 of tax payer money) for inmates... |
Sorry. Not quite seeing the connection here. |
Only an extreme lefty would think of giving prisoners that kind of service. Stupid. An extreme righty would torture him, and an extreme lefty would give him a hooker. Neither should ever have the power to make decisions. Only balanced people, and whoever thought up tattoo parlours in prison is not. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:52 am Post subject: |
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| For some reason, I have the idea in my head that one of the reasons that some jurisdictions allow tattoo parlours in prison is that if the prisoner escapes or starts commiting crimes after release, tattoos make him easier to identify. Can't recall where exactly I heard that, but I think it was a reliable source. |
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Octavius Hite
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:17 am Post subject: |
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| Emotions before common sense and successful planning, a classic Conservative trademark. Short term gain and longterm loss. |
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twg
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:27 am Post subject: |
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| For some reason, I have the idea in my head that one of the reasons that some jurisdictions allow tattoo parlours in prison is that if the prisoner escapes or starts commiting crimes after release, tattoos make him easier to identify. Can't recall where exactly I heard that, but I think it was a reliable source. |
Also a very good idea as well.
Prison tattoos = 2
Giving them hookers = 0 |
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supernick
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There are limits, and paying for tatoos is crossing one of them. They should be afforded the same rights as another person to the maximum incarceration can afford. I can't get free tattoos, so they shouldn't. If they get a degree, it should be funded the same as me, through loans or scholarships. It's really that simple. While I am not surprised at the answers on here, it still makes me wonder.
Also, lower crime means something before prison policies is working, not the prison policies themselves. And teaching them how do tattoos is about the stupidest thing I have heard in awhile. If you are going to retrain them (good idea), pick something better than that. |
How many get degrees while in prison in Canada?
It's easy for some of us to say that they should have to pay for their education just like you did, but it's not that simple. Some inmates have made some wrong choices and others have come from deprived circumstances. It is probably much cheaper to give an inmate an education in hopes that it contributes to his or her rehabilitation. The public should be demanding that persons who are incarcerated should be given opportunities to change the course of their lives. If you want them to pay for their education just like you did, then allow them to take out a student loan,(which they can't) and pay them market wages (which they don't) for the work that they do in the prisons.
If one or two persons contract HIV or some sort of hep because of inmates using dirty needles, the cost on the heath system would be about the same as the $700,000.
I do agree that money could be better spent, but I think if money is to be saved, they can look at other areas.
What about barbers? I think you'll find that some barbers get their training in prisons and hair cuts are free. Sure, it's not the same as getting free tatoos, but inmates are getting benefits of training. A good tatto artists makes a pretty good living.
Let's just hope that they don't start teaching locksmithing. |
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