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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Ddeubel: if you have other information, information that contradicts this CNN report, please present it.
Otherwise, you are doing your usual knee-jerk, drone-like, overly cynical, sneering, antiEstablishment, temper-tantrum routine. |
That quote says more about you than myself.
I called CNN to task, for what it has done in the past. I judge its present coverage based on these facts of the past.
Also, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know/discern that given the conditions of day to day life, on the ground.....there is only a lot of contradictory feelings about this trial, in the minds of most Iraqis. On the face of it, it looks only like an American victory, not an Iraqi one. The Americans pushed this "trial" for their own domestic reasons. The only fair way for it to have happened should have been AFTER Americans were out of the country OR through a U.N. criminal court. They (America) got it wrong and this has a bad taste (despite also feeling some joy) in the view of many Iraqis. Just one more "wrong" and insensitive to culture, action, by America.
This should be self evident --- and how a news organization portraits these things as "celebrations" is farcical. Same with the protests in Tikrit. They represent a small portion of the population but are a good sound bite, so they run with it.......journalism by sound bite, not intelligence.
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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Ddeubel...now you are interpreting Iraqi feelings and moods all the way from South Korea. You know better than CNN, who has people on the ground there. Indeed, you just know, per your usual "analysis," that CNN is lying.
So, whatever...whatever you say...saw what you will...
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| But he has been like the Romanovs since he was captured. For political reasons, for Iraqi stability (if it is ever going to come), he really can't be permitted to live. |
So he should be killed for political and expedient reasons???? That sounds like something outside the law.
He should be allowed to live, precisely because he is "of history" and a reminder of where they were. A symbol, a living symbol of pain. Too easy to shoot/hang and put it under the rug. A society has to go through this process, this long process of reconciliation with the past, if it wants any chance of "maturing". To just kill Saddam, will appear ONLY as the conquerors victory, not an Iraqi one......no matter the reality.
So I think you are wrong, even in terms of how his death will be "useful".
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Saddam deserves to die for what he had done. How you can say he should live just because he is historical is beyond me.
But his crime warrants death and hopefully by the end of 2006 Saddam will be hanging in the gallows. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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Saddam deserves to die for what he had done. How you can say he should live just because he is historical is beyond me.
But his crime warrants death and hopefully by the end of 2006 Saddam will be hanging in the gallows. |
Death never helps. Even taking out the whole "eye for an eye" thing as incredibly outdated barbarianism, killing them only makes them martyrs. Keep him rotting in some cell somewhere (not a Canadian one where they can get degrees and pool tables  ). It might cost more, but keeping him alive and under control sends more of a message than killing him. |
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| not a Canadian one where they can get degrees |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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Saddam deserves to die for what he had done. How you can say he should live just because he is historical is beyond me.
But his crime warrants death and hopefully by the end of 2006 Saddam will be hanging in the gallows. |
Death never helps. Even taking out the whole "eye for an eye" thing as incredibly outdated barbarianism, killing them only makes them martyrs. Keep him rotting in some cell somewhere (not a Canadian one where they can get degrees and pool tables ). It might cost more, but keeping him alive and under control sends more of a message than killing him. |
" It might cost more, but keeping him alive and under control sends more of a message than killing him.[/quote]"
Not really. taking away a persons life sense a big messenge...and a deterrence |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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Saddam deserves to die for what he had done. How you can say he should live just because he is historical is beyond me.
But his crime warrants death and hopefully by the end of 2006 Saddam will be hanging in the gallows. |
Death never helps. Even taking out the whole "eye for an eye" thing as incredibly outdated barbarianism, killing them only makes them martyrs. Keep him rotting in some cell somewhere (not a Canadian one where they can get degrees and pool tables ). It might cost more, but keeping him alive and under control sends more of a message than killing him. |
" It might cost more, but keeping him alive and under control sends more of a message than killing him. |
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Not really. taking away a persons life sense a big messenge...and a deterrence[/quote]
No, it doesn't. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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" It might cost more, but keeping him alive and under control sends more of a message than killing him. |
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Not really. taking away a persons life sense a big messenge...and a deterrence |
No, it doesn't. |
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kimchi_pizza
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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The big question is will this help bring about stability in Iraq or encourage Iragi insurgents?
It's all about IMAGE, especially these days of instant video access. I'm believe Saddam's court theatrics and even his walk to the gallows will only encourage insurgents. There will be joy and the shooting of guns soon after his death, but afterwards....his death will be used to further lambaste American pressence and government. The deaths of U.S. soldiers and Iraqi civilians will increase and this, I'm sure, will be the ultimate outcome of his hanging. You know the images of his hanging and corpse will slip out. And the effect of this?
Let him ROT. Let that image, of a weakened old man sittin in a 8'X 6' cell without a crowd to rave and rant at be shown. Let his image of being dragged, hands up, and cowardly surrendering be shown (unlike his sons who at least fought to their ultimate demise). THEN he will be forgotten and he will trully know hell as a man who once thrived on crowds and publicity is for the first time in a LONG time without an audience save his own image in a mirror. That would trully be torment for a man like Saddam.
Just my piece, be good y'all |
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