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On the other hand
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 Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:50 pm Post subject: Minnesota votes to implement Shariah law |
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Or at least that's the spin I'm sure some people around here will be putting on this... 
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MINNEAPOLIS - Voters elected a black Democrat as the first Muslim in Congress on Tuesday after a race in which he advocated quick U.S. withdrawal from Iraq and made little mention of his faith.
Keith Ellison, a 43-year-old lawyer and state representative, was projected to defeat two rivals to succeed retiring Democrat Martin Sabo in a seat that has been held by Democrats since 1963.
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thepeel
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Like who? |
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gang ah jee
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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I might, later on. |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, me too.
CAIR supports that clown. |
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Tiger Beer
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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Minneapolis and Minnesota has always had some of the most progressive and some of the most unusual politics in the States.
When I lived there (1994-1995).. they passed a law that it was illegal for any man to 'stare down' a woman by looking at her for more than a certain amount of seconds - that one was fairly progressive women's movement one.
Then there was the elected Jesse 'the Body' Ventura who got into office. They just got sick of the Dem/Rep choices altogether.. and didn't want any part of it anymore.
In general.. thats one state that obviously has an extremely high Scandinavian (particularly Swedish) population.. and the local politics often reflect that.
Electing a black muslim democrat to power seems right in line with typical Minnesota politics. |
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Junior
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Tiger Beer"]
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| has always had some of the most progressive politics in the States. |
Electing a protagonist of a women-hating barbaric cult is progressive? i'd hate to see what they regard as backward. |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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now now J, remember that progressive now means "cleverishly contrarian" and has no political identity after that. It makes total sense to progressives to elect someone who represents the exact opposite of what they believe in, provided that that person neatly falls into one of the categories of mystical and inexorable exclusion and oppression.
A white Christian male and a black muslim male could run on the same platform. By "progressives", the WCM would be branded a racist, sexist and chauvinist pig (which he likely would be) and the BMM branded as having bloomed consummately and poetical from a beautiful yet misunderstood culture of inherent knowledge and beauty and totally deserving of "progressive" support. In the end, they both fear women, gays, ideas, critical thinking, math, evolutionary thought, thought, teletubbies, music and beer but that matters not to those for whom being contrarian is more important than consistent. |
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laogaiguk
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't want anyone in power that believes in miracles or old storybooks, unless they believe in leprechauns, which would be alright. |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| That is what I meant to say.. |
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Moldy Rutabaga
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:12 am Post subject: |
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Wouldn't the white Christian male want the music and beer, and lots of it? I want the Led Zep and the Hoegaarden, thank you.
Ken:> |
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huffdaddy
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| BJWD wrote: |
now now J, remember that progressive now means "cleverishly contrarian" and has no political identity after that. It makes total sense to progressives to elect someone who represents the exact opposite of what they believe in, provided that that person neatly falls into one of the categories of mystical and inexorable exclusion and oppression. |
now now B, you have now opened your mouth and squarely inserted your foot into it.
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| A white Christian male and a black muslim male could run on the same platform. By "progressives", the WCM would be branded a racist, sexist and chauvinist pig (which he likely would be) and the BMM branded as having bloomed consummately and poetical from a beautiful yet misunderstood culture of inherent knowledge and beauty and totally deserving of "progressive" support. In the end, they both fear women, gays, ideas, critical thinking, math, evolutionary thought, thought, teletubbies, music and beer but that matters not to those for whom being contrarian is more important than consistent. |
Unless you are speaking of some hypothetical BMM that represents what you believe a BMM should represent. If you are refering to Ellison, you're pretty far off base.
Ellison's positions (if you'd bothered to check them):
http://www.keithellison.org/issues.htm
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Healthcare
It is time for universal single payer health care in the United States.
The Environment
The environment needs to be a lens through which we view nearly every policy issue. I will not support any effort that will provide Wall Street investors with a short term financial gain at the cost of long term ecological degradation.
Education
Because an educated, informed citizenry is the cornerstone of a healthy and vibrant democracy, I believe that funding for education is the greatest single measure of our commitment to reinvest in our society.
Immigration
The immigrant experience is the essence to who we are as a nation. Immigrants are, and always have been, at the center of our nation's democratic experiment.
GLBT Issues
Would a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage help us to welcome the stranger, clothe the naked, heal the sick, or visit those in prison?
Reproductive Rights and Choice
I am pro choice. I am in favor of comprehensive sex education, which includes information about abstinence, but goes far beyond that. I am against legislation that would impose a waiting period on women who seek a safe and legal abortion, and I am against legislation that would restrict the information that a physician can share with a patient regarding reproductive choices. |
Hmm, doesn't sound like the BMM you have in mind. Sounds pretty progressive for either a WCM or BMM.
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| Minneapolis and Minnesota has always had some of the most progressive and some of the most unusual politics in the States. |
Don't forget that Minnesota doesn't have the Democratic Party. They have the Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party.
Ellison actually represents the district where I have my official residence back in the US (via a friend's house).
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:36 am Post subject: |
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| Moldy Rutabaga wrote: |
| I want the Led Zep and the Hoegaarden, thank you. |
I too would vote for this political party. |
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Tiger Beer
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:06 am Post subject: |
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| huffdaddy wrote: |
| Tiger Beer wrote: |
| Minneapolis and Minnesota has always had some of the most progressive and some of the most unusual politics in the States. |
Don't forget that Minnesota doesn't have the Democratic Party. They have the Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party. |
I like the name of that party.
The Democratic Party seriously needs to reach out to the rural farmer (and the small businesses of small towns that revolve around them).. its one of the great shortfalls of the party. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:23 am Post subject: |
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Huffdaddy:
Good work on actually researching what Ellison says about the issues, instead of just relying on stereotypes. But this part of Ellison's platform did catch my eye...
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GLBT Issues
Would a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage help us to welcome the stranger, clothe the naked, heal the sick, or visit those in prison?
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Notice he doesn't come out and say that he favours gay marriage, he just asks rhetorically(and rather poetically) if banning it will accomplish anything good, and leaves it to the reader to assume that the answer is no. Admittedly, this slightly evasive, wink-and-nod approach might have more to do with how divisive the issue is, rather than Ellison's own religion. |
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jaganath69
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Junior"]
| Tiger Beer wrote: |
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| has always had some of the most progressive politics in the States. |
Electing a protagonist of a women-hating barbaric cult is progressive? i'd hate to see what they regard as backward. |
Yet you would happily defend Christian Rick Santorum who likened gay marriage to bestiality? You'd prefer homophobic anti-science cultists leading the way? |
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