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[Big_Bird]

...and ends with the lives of Jews.

by Gideon Levy
The Haaretz

A bloodbath is taking place in Beit Hanun, the Israel Defense Forces runs rampant and kills at least 37 people in four days - and Israeli public opinion yawns with indifference. A brigade commander tells his soldiers, who killed 12 people in one day: "You've won 12:0," and the soldiers grin broadly. This is the moral nadir we have reached, following a long slide down a slippery slope: Human life has become cheap.
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What a long way we have come since the talk, as hypocritical as it may have been, about "the purity of arms." This concept has been totally deleted from the lexicon. What a long way we have come since the time when we took pride in the fact that, unlike the Arabs, we tried not to kill innocent civilians. And now we have arrived at the shocking reality of the second Lebanon war. For example, the number of people Israel killed is not only almost 10 times higher than the number of people Hezbollah killed, but the number of soldiers Hezbollah killed is three times higher than the number of Israeli civilians they killed, while the number of Lebanese civilians killed by Israel is about three times the number of Hezbollah fighters. So whose arms are purer? A journalist from The Guardian who is currently in Israel was shocked to hear that these figures have not been the subject of public discussion here.
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No one asked who these fatalities were, whether they all deserved to die, and what benefit Israel derives from this wholesale killing. Beyond the terrifying number of civilians killed, including dozens of women and children, we should also ask whether every armed person in Gaza - and there are tens of thousands of them - deserves the death penalty, without a trial. The day the IDF began the targeted assassinations, our sensitivity to human life was doomed to be erased.
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The daily killing in Gaza receives scant mention. Futile operations aimed at restoring the IDF's lost honor do not arouse any debate about their aim, morality or chances of succeeding. No one wonders about the extent of Qassam damage versus the extent of the killing and destruction - including the bombing of the power station - in Gaza, where a million and a half people are encaged, impoverished and hungry.

These futile operations will not stop the Qassams, which are aimed at giving us and the rest of the world a painful reminder of the imprisoned and boycotted Gaza residents' distress, which no one would notice if it were not for the Qassams.

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This is a sad state of affairs. There seems to be little soul searching amongst the Israeli populace - with only a few journalists (such as Levy) willing to examine the morality of what's going on in the occupied territories. And as Israel's complicit allies - what are we doing?

[spliff]

Do you yourself, actually have anything to say? Or is this some sort of news blog?

[Big_Bird]

[cbclark4]

All through history civilians have been casualties of war.

Well maybe the Romans were a little more careful in the battle field.
But once they got to the loot it was another story.

The point is if you look at the Crusades for instance civilians were purposely put in harms way. It is a tactic that works and erodes the enemies will. Mohamed used this tactic with great effect. The use of civilians and servents to infiltrate, seduce, mesmerize and conquer on an individual level is a particular art and skill of the Mohamedan warrior.

I think the modern warrior would like to think they chivalrous in some kind of "purity of arms" honor. But, in the end war is the business of breaking things and killing people.

Occupation is the real crime of war. It puts the warrior in a position that will ultimately lead to compromising any honor code. Only in occupation can the tactic of the Mohamedan warrior be effective.

The strategy that should be employed against this form of warfare is to develop a plan define the mission objectives, attack accomplish the objective and retreat. The mission should not include occupation and should be military in nature. The politics should be left to the politicians.

The argumnet then is, now this enemy will attack at my soveriegnty time and again with infiltrating suicide attacks and missle attacks. I say endure this as political reality for a time, pinpoint the origination infiltrate your enemy covertly without engagement. Gather your evidence to include in objective of your next attack. In the meantime always negotiate from the position of strength.

Do not commit horrors, eating your enemy is wrong.

cbc

[Satori]

One look at the title and you can see that the persective of the author is all out of whack...

[cbclark4]

What do you mean by out of whack please be more specific.

cbc

[Satori]

The title is idiotic in it's simplistic reductionionism, it's a huge exageration, it shows a biased agenda, it's sensationalist, it's shrill and desperate and manilipulative. One look at the title and you know it's not going to be a balanced, sane, and deeply thought-through peice, and low and behold it was not...

[Big_Bird]

[Big_Bird]

Secondly, Levy is an Israeli critcising his own society, which he feels does have contempt for the lives of Arabs. Sadly, I don't see anything 'whacky' about his observation, having myself clocked up many an hour listening to various Israelis discussing their opinions of Arabs.

[khyber]

[cbclark4]

The Arabs at times seem to have disdain for Human life in general.

In the days of Salidad things were quite different.

It was the Assassins that changed the Arab world it started as a cult.

cbc

[Big_Bird]

[cbclark4]

And THE quote is out of context.

Is the cult of Assassins still alive in the Arab world state your point here.

Is this not true. Was not Osama named for the prince of the Assassins.

Is the word assassin not of Arab origin.

I am countering the Original Post with historical fact.

State your case.

cbc

[Junior]

Actually you're quite right big bird. Muslims are wonderful people. I was wrong. I hope you all enjoy your first enforced call to prayers at the mosque and bring up the kids to love allah and blow themselves up for him.
I see you have made your decision, and its time to get on the winning side. I was under the illusion westerners were able to detect right and wrong. Clearly this is not the case, and its time I stopped isolating myself and join the majority who want to see the west go under shariah law. My apologies. Lets remove the last ally and bastiojn of freedom in the middle east, and proceed with declaring the west part of the caliphate. Then we can call ourselves civilised politically correct people. I've changed my tune,mass muder is a good thing and I agree with you all. Lets do it.

[Satori]