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poet13
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.
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 Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:54 pm Post subject: What is the cheapest way to heat.... |
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Hello all.
I'd like to get a thread going on alternatives to ondol. Yup, I saw the other thread, but I dont want to hijack it.
I use gas. Not sure what to expect this winter.
I have heard about these electric blankets, but they cost like 70-120000 won. Do you recoup that money in a winter?
Can people post here their heating costs from last winter....AND their situation? ie; modern one bedroom apt, or perhaps old farmhouse... his is my first winter paying for my own utilities, and with a family at home, I want to try and create a reasonable budget...
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CabbageTownRoyals
Joined: 14 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Gas: 60-80 000won/month but I only turn it on at night. |
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CabbageTownRoyals
Joined: 14 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| woopsy - and situation: live alone, two bedroom (OLD) villa. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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villa - 21 pyung
gas ondol
set on "outing" during the day and turn on properly at night
90-100,000 won |
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OiGirl
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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| I bought the cheapest heated sleeping mat (W30,000) and it's great as long as I don't get out of bed, which isn't a big deal in my tiny one-room. Also got an W9,700 electric heater for the bathroom (outside the bathroom door, don't lecture me on electrocution...) |
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essexboy
Joined: 11 Jun 2006
Location: close to orgasm
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:28 am Post subject: |
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are you guys serious??
Im from London, so im used to sky-high bills, but i leave my ondol on all day and night. Im awaiting my first bill...  |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:59 am Post subject: |
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| essexboy wrote: |
are you guys serious??
Im from London, so im used to sky-high bills, but i leave my ondol on all day and night. Im awaiting my first bill... |
Would Park Chunghee lie to you?
I didn't think so. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:11 am Post subject: |
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As far as I can see most Koreans turn on the ondol in late Autumn and leave it on thermostatic control constantly (unless they leave home for more than a couple of days) until early spring.
The theory goes that it's cheaper to keep your apartment at a constant temperature during the Winter than it is to turn it off and on again everyday. It takes a lot of gas to get your concrete floor back up to where it feels warm again. I've followed what the Koreans do for the last 4 years and my monthly gas bills are usually around 80,000 during winter.
In saying that, I also feel most Koreans waaayy overheat their apartments in the Winter. They tend to like it around 25-26C indoors....yuck!! I like it around 21C. |
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saybanana
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
Location: LA
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:18 am Post subject: |
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I saw in Lottemart the other day, there was an electric radiator for about W70,000-80. A down comforter for W80,000 at Homeplus. Electric blankets for about W50-80.
Currently, my officetel has been around 18-20 degrees, for the past 2 weeks, during the coldest part of the night, without any heating. Not sure how long that will last.
I never had floor heating until now. Does it get too warm? I dont like my place warm esp for sleeping.
Which is more cost effective?
getting a radiator plus electricity costs or using ondol heating plus gas costs
I should have brought my nice goose down comforter from back home. Its really light and keeps me at the perfect temperature. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:25 am Post subject: |
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Which is more cost effective?
getting a radiator plus electricity costs or using ondol heating plus gas costs |
I've read horror stories here on Dave's about people who scorned their ondol to use electric heaters instead. Remember, in Korea, the price-per-unit for electric goes up if you use a lot of electricity. An average 2 kilowatt electric heater uses A LOT of electricity.
Keep the ondol on. Just turn it down a few notches when you go out to work or whatever. It's the cheapest, easiest, safest and most comfortable way to heat your apartment. 48 million Koreans, AND Park Chung-hee, can't be wrong!!! |
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Kimchieluver
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:32 am Post subject: |
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Which is more cost effective?
getting a radiator plus electricity costs or using ondol heating plus gas costs |
I've read horror stories here on Dave's about people who scorned their ondol to use electric heaters instead. Remember, in Korea, the price-per-unit for electric goes up if you use a lot of electricity. An average 2 kilowatt electric heater uses A LOT of electricity.
Keep the ondol on. Just turn it down a few notches when you go out to work or whatever. It's the cheapest, easiest, safest and most comfortable way to heat your apartment. 48 million Koreans, AND Park Chung-hee, can't be wrong!!! |
I have to agree. Turn it down to the lowest setting when you are not home and when you get home turn it back up. If you are like my wife and I, you will only need to set it to 2 on the coldest days.
Don't make the mistake of keeping it off when t is more than a few degrees below 0. You may cause the ondol to burst and that can be a hefty bill if management finds out. |
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Kimchieluver
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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| Why hasn't Guru posted on this yet???? |
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Lizzie
Joined: 20 Feb 2006
Location: Vancouver Island
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:45 am Post subject: heat |
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| I use the ondol sometimes but I also buy super cheap candles from Emart-at 850 won each they burn for about 6 or 7 hours each. Light 4 or 5 of these for an hour and it takes the chill right out of the room-learned this trick when a dodgy heater I had in London would go out for two days at a time and I could see my breath in my room. It works great for this time of year when it is not freezing cold yet-or when ondol is slow to help heat up the room. You will feel the difference in no time if you live in a studio and for light is so much nicer than flourescents too. |
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Corporal
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 9:21 am Post subject: Re: heat |
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| Lizzie wrote: |
| I use the ondol sometimes but I also buy super cheap candles from Emart-at 850 won each they burn for about 6 or 7 hours each. Light 4 or 5 of these for an hour and it takes the chill right out of the room-learned this trick when a dodgy heater I had in London would go out for two days at a time and I could see my breath in my room. It works great for this time of year when it is not freezing cold yet-or when ondol is slow to help heat up the room. You will feel the difference in no time if you live in a studio and for light is so much nicer than flourescents too. |
Um...This is probably not a good idea on a regular basis and here's why.
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Soot from candles can also be very toxic. Breathing soot is not recommended at all. The soot particles can travel deep into the lungs. Those with asthma, lung, or heart disease are particularly vulnerable. To make matters worse, most scented and aromatherapy candles are made with paraffin and fragrance oils. Paraffin is a petroleum product - a byproduct of oil refining - and most fragrance oils used for candle making are petroleum-based synthetics. The soot from these materials can contain carcinogens, neurotoxins, and reproductive toxins. Testing and air chamber analysis by the Environmental Protection Agency has found the following compounds, in significant quantity, in a random group of over 30 candles tested: acetone; benzene; trichlorofluoromethane; carbon disulfide; butanone; trichloroethane; carbon tetrachloride; carbon black (soot) particulate matter; trichlo-roethene ; tetrachloroethene; toluene; chlorobenzene; ethylbenzene; styrene; xylene; phenol; cresol; cyclopentene; and lead.
Besides these chemicals, Dr. Kaiss K. Al-Ahmady of Indoor Air Solutions, Inc. in Tampa, Florida, found in testing of over 20 candles that 30 percent of the metal wire wicks used contained lead.
The reason scented and aromatherapy candles are the usual culprits causing soot is that the fragrance oils are unsaturated hydrocarbons, and they soften the wax so that it doesn't burn cleanly. Container candles are even worse since the oxygen necessary for a clean burn doesn't reach the flame properly. |
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dogshed
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
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The candle thing is a bad idea. They always said to carry some candles and a coffee can in the winter in your car to use as a heat source if you are stuck in the middle of nowhere but that was only for an emergency and they always say to keep your window cracked.
I have a space heater that runs on LPG that comes in tanks like propane in the US. It has an igniter powered by a big D cell. I of course crack the window when I use it. I'm hoping by keeping the Ondol low and using the space heater in the back bedroom I can keep my bills low.
-Jeff |
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