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Mikhai
Joined: 20 Jan 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:00 pm Post subject: Discrimination in Korean Banks |
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| I went to Kookmin Bank (KB*) Yesterday. Whom I have been banking with for going on two years. They are very friendly and helpful at the branch I use. However the bank's policy's are very discriminative against foreigners. I switched to KB* from KEB, because KEB stopped allowing foreigners usage of International Cards (KB* allows it). I tried applying for internet banking so that I could transfer money online. However they don't allow foreigner to do this. I also inquired about obtaining a credit card, however they don't allow foreigners to do this either. I have several time deposits with the bank in addition to a savings and chequings account. I just thought it very odd and a bit discriminative. I've never overdrawn nor have I done anything outside the limits of the banking establishment. Yet they refuse me services on the grounds I am a foreigner, eventhough I am residing legally here. I have lived in many countries in my life. None of them discriminated against foreigners in this manner. In fact it was illegal in the UK, France, South Africa, Hong Kong and the Philippines to do so (the US as well). Has anyone else had a problem with this with some of the banks here? I really enjoy HSBC however the HSBC here in Korea doesn't offer many services at all. Its a rather useless Banking establishment. However they are very friendly and helpful with dealing with my accounts back in the UK and Hong Kong. However a branch of SC First Bank flat out refused to do banking with me on the grounds of me being a foreigner. I have an ARC, Passport, the Korean National Health Certificate, and I am employed by a University. So I am curious has anyone else had any problems with some of the banks here? |
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Len8
Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Location: Kyungju
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Could be a ruse by a new manager because he doesn't know anything. Maybe the internet banking is all done in Korean. If that's the case scream at them to make it accessible in English.
I did come across a bank teller in KEB who, because she didn't want to deal with foreigeners made Koreans jump the cue and delay serving the waeguks. That has to be the example of the year for rudnes, lack of class, and a cracked in the head attitude about xenophobia. |
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crazylemongirl

Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Location: almost there...
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:38 am Post subject: |
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Sometimes you need to stop looking for zebras when you have horses right in front of you.
Most of the time 'discrimination' means:
"I don't understand what you want"
or "I don't know how to do what you want"
Try another branch. |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 1:11 am Post subject: |
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Sometimes you need to stop looking for zebras when you have horses right in front of you.
Most of the time 'discrimination' means:
"I don't understand what you want"
or "I don't know how to do what you want"
Try another branch. |
No, definite discrimmination against foreigners in regards to giving out international ATM cards. I had a Korean with me to explain and was rufused at Nonghyunp Bank. |
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HamuHamu
Joined: 01 May 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 1:13 am Post subject: |
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The other thing is that it isn't often the bank itself, but government regulations - some branches are just more strict than others in enforcing them.
When it comes to credit cards, I personally can understand the restrictions: although you are a resident, you are only a temporary resident (I assume, being that you are a teacher) and you do not have 'indefinite leave to remain' (can a foreigner get such thing in Korea?) When you are done here, there is ntohign stopping you from walking out of Korea with a huge credit card balance, and little way for the bank to find you. |
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markhan
Joined: 02 Aug 2006
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 2:49 am Post subject: |
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| Len8 wrote: |
Could be a ruse by a new manager because he doesn't know anything. Maybe the internet banking is all done in Korean. If that's the case scream at them to make it accessible in English.
I did come across a bank teller in KEB who, because she didn't want to deal with foreigeners made Koreans jump the cue and delay serving the waeguks. That has to be the example of the year for rudnes, lack of class, and a cracked in the head attitude about xenophobia. |
Or maybe she was just afraid that you will ask her in English and she might not know what to say and be all embarassed about the situation.
Case in point:
There was this white woman in Watson drug store and she asked questions to these two teenage cashiers in English. (Tell me people, Why do you ask questions in English in Korea? Please dont tell me about how English is International language and as such. That only applies when speakers are in neutral or in international setting where common language is required. In Korea, you speak Korean, in France, you speak French. And perhaps English in well known tourist spot. Watson drug store is not a tourist spot)
Anyway, back to the story. Those teenagers were laughing nervosly and did not know how to respond to the questions.
Then, when white woman asked for a bag, those two Koreans had following conversation:
Girl A: Dont say anything about charging 50 won for a bag.
Girl B: But we have to. It is a national enviorment policy.
Girl A: Ok. then you explain to her in English.
Girl B: Oh....
They wind up giving a bag without any charge.
Now imagine this kind of crap happening in a bank where much more complex questions and answers are involved.
Let me ask you. Were you about to ask questions and avalability of service in fluent Korean? Now be honest.
And i might add, English service is not mandatory in Korea. American companies in major cities provide Spanish service because it makes money from Hispanic clients. Nothing more nothing less.
Now can you imagine Nicaraguan temporary worker who doesnt speak one word of English comes charging into a bank in a city where 99% are white and asking questions in Spanish? And demanding and screaming for English service as you have said.
Sometimes, no, actually almost all the time, I think Korean obssession to speak English has somehow affect the arrogance of English speaker. Koreans are not obligated to speak English. If you want quality service in Korea, first learn how to speak Korean. Dont bitch about how Koreans are xenophobic when you don't put any efforts in learning Korean. |
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braunshade
Joined: 19 Apr 2006 Location: Somewhere better!
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:01 am Post subject: |
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| markhan must be a gyopo! |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:11 am Post subject: |
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Now imagine this kind of crap happening in a bank where much more complex questions and answers are involved.
Let me ask you. Were you about to ask questions and avalability of service in fluent Korean? Now be honest. |
One does not need to speak fluent Korean to ask to open a bank account or ask for a bank card that works abroad. I can tell the teller to send my money by using one word "ponaeda". |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:17 am Post subject: |
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| Sometimes, no, actually almost all the time, I think Korean obssession to speak English has somehow affect the arrogance of English speaker. Koreans are not obligated to speak English. If you want quality service in Korea, first learn how to speak Korean. Dont *beep* about how Koreans are xenophobic when you don't put any efforts in learning Korean. |
Markhan, I agree that Koreans are not obligated to speak English but at the same time English teachers are not obligated to come here. Nor are foreign businessman and tech workers. It seems that Korea has an interest in hiring foreigners for certain jobs because it is beneficial to their country. As long as Korea deems it necessary to hire foreigners they should attempt to offer us banking services similar to Koreans. If I am earning money legally there should be no reason that I can't access it from abroad with my Korean bank card. Just as easy as Koreab banks can block my card from working abroad they could allow me to draw 5,000USD, 10,000 USD or 20,000USD from abroad. They could set a certain limit for legal foreign workers in Korea. |
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Sina qua non

Joined: 20 Jun 2006
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:51 am Post subject: |
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| Or maybe she was just afraid that you will ask her in English and she might not know what to say and be all embarassed about the situation.... Dont *beep* about how Koreans are xenophobic when you don't put any efforts in learning Korean. |
No.
Notwithstanding the fact that I speak Korean, I have had numerous experiences similar to the OP's. |
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butlerian

Joined: 04 Sep 2006 Location: Korea
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| You can get a credit card from KB bank. However, like most other banks, it requires a 110% deposit. |
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Octavius Hite

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:10 am Post subject: |
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Its not discrimination, its a mix of poor English skills/fear of dealing with us and old and new government regulations. I have an international bank card from KB* but that was before spectrumgate, after that things gotten tightened up. Remember Koreans couldn't travel overseas for years (except to the foriegn country of Jeju, lol) because they needed to keep capital in country. Korean's couldn't buy foriegn property of any serious value until this year!!! Also to try and prevent capital flight. They are very sensitive about it and have every right to be after the screwing they recieved in 1997. And their not the only country to be like this. N.Korea has two different currencies one for its citizens and one for foriegners.
My advice, first stop bitchin about how terrible it is to be a rich (by most Asian's standards) white man (or woman for that matter) cause you have nothing to really bitch about. Then go around to banks until you find one that gives it to you, one of my hags got an international card at a KB* in Gangnam two weeks ago alone, with no korean speaker tagging along, so I'm sure you can do it. |
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Sina qua non

Joined: 20 Jun 2006
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:53 am Post subject: |
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| They are very sensitive about it and have every right to be after the screwing they recieved in 1997. |
Whatever.
Korean companies racked up so much debt that, a with a slight devaluation of the currency, some were forced to default on their promised payments. This caused further devaluation which caused further debt default.
Anyone who is attracted to the locals' siren song about their own failures during 1997 doesn't know the facts of the siuation.
Without outside financial assistance, which Korean people requested, this would have become a bankrupted nation.
Foreign countries sent solidiers to protect this country in the 1950s, and foreign governments (via the IMF) sent money here to support the economy in the 1990s; however, the people here regard people from other countries as inferiors.
The people here really should make amends to the people they discriminate against, particularly the 3-D workers from SE Asia and the brides they import. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:23 am Post subject: |
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Foreigners Experience Difficulties in Living in Korea
Overall living conditions, including education, housing, medical care, transportation, immigration, and access to the Internet are pointed to as inconveniences. Not only inconveniences caused by different systems and customs in Korea, but also special discriminating practices, such as the practice of submitting two years of monthly rent in advance like a deposit, which is required of foreigners just because they are foreigners, are ubiquitous....
An official in the International Cooperation Division of Seoul City admitted, "The same complaints regarding visas, transportation, education, and environment are raised every year without being solved, due to the lack of cooperation from government agencies involved and their passive attitudes."
by Jae-Dong Yu and Soo-Jung Shin, Donga.com (July 4, 2004)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2004070522448
For Housing Rentals, Foreigners Easy Victims
By Byun Duk-kun, Korea Times (August 28, 2003)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200308/kt2003082818233111970.htm
Koreans cast wary eye on world
A new poll suggests that a few traces of Korea's history as a "hermit kingdom" still linger in modern South Korea. The poll suggests that the general public here has a strong distrust of neighboring countries and favors the acquisition of nuclear weapons to deter outside pressure.
Only 40 percent said Korea should increase its aid to poorer countries, for example, and two-thirds opposed the idea of easing the requirements for foreigners to obtain Korean citizenship. More than 57 percent rejected the idea that Korea should follow decisions of international organizations that differed from sentiment here.
by Shin Chang-woon, Chun Young-gi, JoongAng Daily (October 15, 2005)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200510/14/200510142210035839900090409041.html |
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dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: Killbox 90210
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:38 am Post subject: Re: Discrimination in Korean Banks |
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| Mikhai wrote: |
| However a branch of SC First Bank flat out refused to do banking with me on the grounds of me being a foreigner. |
Bull **cough** shit.
PPOR. |
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