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Meegook
Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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| The 2% get to define what is normal for themselves and the 98% aget to define what is normal for themselves. |
We all get to define what is normal?
These guys are all normal?
Were you in this lineup? |
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Meegook
Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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I'm no more afraid of homosexuals than I am of things that go bump in the night. I do find what they do as abnormal though.
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From Mirriam Webster...
irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals |
I don't discriminate against homosexuals. I just think their activity, ie, sticking their manhood into the waste material exit hole of other men is abnormal. I am free to think that, aren't I? |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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And I guess I couldn't call on the authority of the US Constitution when talking to US citizens who don't acknowledge the authority of that document either, eh? With your thinking Bush/Cheney and gang could just say they don't recognize the authority of the Consitutition or for that matter, the Bible upon which they took their oath of office? |
Sinse the bible is not the law of the land the matters are quite different. You are bound under the constitution whether you believe in it or not. Not so with the bible. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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I'm no more afraid of homosexuals than I am of things that go bump in the night. I do find what they do as abnormal though.
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From Mirriam Webster...
irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals |
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I don't discriminate against homosexuals. |
Yes, you most certainly do.
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I just think their activity, ie, sticking their manhood into the waste material exit hole of other men is abnormal. I am free to think that, aren't I? |
Yes you're free to think that. What you think is your business, but you want to deny them legal rights that they can only get through legal marriage. Then it's discrimination.
You also seem to have a strong aversion to them. So under two of the three definitions in Mirriam webster you are a homophobe, and not just one who thinks homophobic thoughts, you're well out of the closet on that one. I think the phrase "raving homophobe" is pretty accurate.
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Meegook
Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| The 2% get to define what is normal for themselves and the 98% aget to define what is normal for themselves. |
"I define myself as normal." |
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Meegook
Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Sinse the bible is not the law of the land the matters are quite different. You are bound under the constitution whether you believe in it or not. Not so with the bible. |
You couldn't be more wrong my friend.
Just because the God of the Bible is not visible or you don't believe He exists, doesn't mean you're not bound under Him or His laws.
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Satori
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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"Judge, it's not wrong for me to foddle little girls, it's just a matter of perception. My perception is different from yours and the perception of the parent's of the child in question. Your perception is not definitive. It's relative, right and wrong changes, depending on our perception.
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Wonderful Sherlock, except that paedophilia is illegal and homosexuality is not. Society agrees that paedophilia is taboo, there is no public debate about it, we are in almost universal agreement about that as a society. Thus, it's illegal. Not so with homosexuality. So the analogy doesn't really work... |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Sinse the bible is not the law of the land the matters are quite different. You are bound under the constitution whether you believe in it or not. Not so with the bible. |
You couldn't be more wrong my friend.
Just because the God of the Bible is not visible or you don't believe He exists, doesn't mean you're not bound under Him or His laws. |
Ladies and gentlemen, thankyou, and goodnight... |
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Meegook
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Wonderful Sherlock, except that paedophilia is illegal and homosexuality is not. . |
we weren't discussing illegalities, we were discussing perceptions.
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| Society agrees that paedophilia is taboo, |
So,if society decides that paedophila is no longer taboo, it will be acceptable?
God's moral laws play no part? Man decides what's right and wrong, not God?
Bush and Company have just decided that torture is okay and there's no one around to stop them. So, I guess torture's okay now? If the majority of people think it's okay to torture Christians, or homosexuals, or Muslims, then that will be okay too? |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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So,if society decides that paedophila is no longer taboo, it will be acceptable?
God's moral laws play no part? Man decides what's right and wrong, not God?
Bush and Company have just decided that torture is okay and there's no one around to stop them. So, I guess torture's okay now? If the majority of people think it's okay to torture Christians, or homosexuals, or Muslims, then that will be okay too? |
Paedoes cause harm both mentally and physically to their victims (young children).
Torturers cause harm both mentally and physically to their victims (prisoners).
Homosexuals cause harm both mentally and physically to their victims ( That would be you meegook who seems unable to get through your day without thinking about two men pounding each other's ass and thus making you throw up)
Most laws win support because they protect a victim. |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:58 pm Post subject: re: |
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| Either the bible it to be taken literally or not. Let me know which one it is and I'll get back to you with a bunch of problems that raises for christianity. Either way it's a losing situation... |
This is way to simplistic an approach for a book as complicated as the Bible. I have no problem generalizing about evangelicals (though there are notable exceptions such as Peggy and Tony Campolo), but let's not be so brainless as to generalize about a very complicated book written over a span of nearly 2500 years by scores of people.
Peace |
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seoulunitarian
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:03 pm Post subject: re: |
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| Once I got you to realise that evengelical christians are also a minority |
You haven't.
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The fact remains, it ocurrs, in both humans and animals, |
What is "it?" Animals putting their manhood into the feces exit of other animals?
Don't think so, only know of one animal that does that, and only sometimes, but you make it sound like it's the norm, it's not.
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| You find it abnormal, but the people who do it don't find it abnormal, in fact they find your raving homophobia abnormal. |
Doesn't matter if the people who do 'it' that is stick their manhood into the feces exit hole of others find it normal or not. Since when do the 2% get to define normal? And why don't you describe what these homosexuals do, instead of refering to it as "it?" Shame? Embarrassment?
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find your raving homophobia abnormal. |
I'm no more afraid of homosexuals than I am of things that go bump in the night. I do find what they do as abnormal though.
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| And you can't call on the authority of the bible when talking to people who don't acknowledge the authority of the bible. |
And I guess I couldn't call on the authority of the US Constitution when talking to US citizens who don't acknowledge the authority of that document either, eh? With your thinking Bush/Cheney and gang could just say they don't recognize the authority of the Consitutition or for that matter, the Bible upon which they took their oath of office? |
Homosexual Activity Among Animals Stirs Debate
James Owen in London for National Geographic News July 23, 2004
"Birds do it, bees do it, even educated fleas do it." So go the lyrics penned by U.S. songwriter Cole Porter.
Porter, who first hit it big in the 1920s, wouldn't risk parading his homosexuality in public. In his day "the birds and the bees" generally meant only one thing�sex between a male and female.
But, actually, some same-sex birds do do it. So do beetles, sheep, fruit bats, dolphins, and orangutans. Zoologists are discovering that homosexual and bisexual activity is not unknown within the animal kingdom.
Roy and Silo, two male chinstrap penguins at New York's Central Park Zoo have been inseparable for six years now. They display classic pair-bonding behavior�entwining of necks, mutual preening, flipper flapping, and the rest. They also have sex, while ignoring potential female mates.
Wild birds exhibit similar behavior. There are male ostriches that only court their own gender, and pairs of male flamingos that mate, build nests, and even raise foster chicks.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal_2.html
Peace
Mod Edit: Shortened article and added link. |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:06 pm Post subject: re: |
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I'm no more afraid of homosexuals than I am of things that go bump in the night. I do find what they do as abnormal though.
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From Mirriam Webster...
irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals |
I don't discriminate against homosexuals. I just think their activity, ie, sticking their manhood into the waste material exit hole of other men is abnormal. I am free to think that, aren't I? |
Do you have an aversion to the word anus, or do you just enjoy writing about body parts like a nerdy 10 year-old? |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 1:05 am Post subject: Re: re: |
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| Either the bible it to be taken literally or not. Let me know which one it is and I'll get back to you with a bunch of problems that raises for christianity. Either way it's a losing situation... |
This is way to simplistic an approach for a book as complicated as the Bible. I have no problem generalizing about evangelicals (though there are notable exceptions such as Peggy and Tony Campolo), but let's not be so brainless as to generalize about a very complicated book written over a span of nearly 2500 years by scores of people.
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Thats not simplistic generalising. The basis of evengelical christian belief is that that bible is the true and perfect and uninterpretable word of god. It there are contradictions in the bible then the foundation of that religion is shattered. |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 3:10 am Post subject: Re: re: |
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| Either the bible it to be taken literally or not. Let me know which one it is and I'll get back to you with a bunch of problems that raises for christianity. Either way it's a losing situation... |
This is way to simplistic an approach for a book as complicated as the Bible. I have no problem generalizing about evangelicals (though there are notable exceptions such as Peggy and Tony Campolo), but let's not be so brainless as to generalize about a very complicated book written over a span of nearly 2500 years by scores of people.
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Thats not simplistic generalising. The basis of evengelical christian belief is that that bible is the true and perfect and uninterpretable word of god. It there are contradictions in the bible then the foundation of that religion is shattered. |
Ok. If we're only talking about the average evangelical view of the Bible, then you're correct. However, if we're talking about the Bible itself, then you're view is simplistic.
Peace |
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