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Canadian woman's experience dating a middle eastern man.
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twg



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
Satori wrote:

The article is a fake.


Absolutely, she lied for fun and there is no reason anyone could have said that about musim guys. Its mystifying.

Woman had a bad boyfriend who happened to be Arab and is pissed as shit at him.

Aint rocket science.
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Satori



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

twg wrote:
Junior wrote:
Satori wrote:

The article is a fake.


Absolutely, she lied for fun and there is no reason anyone could have said that about musim guys. Its mystifying.

Woman had a bad boyfriend who happened to be Arab and is pissed as *beep* at him.

Aint rocket science.

It may not be rocket science, but it seems to be a little bit much for you personally to fully grasp, William...
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ddeubel



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"Not Without My Baby"

You PC folks can can it. This is a long-established and well-known pattern


Won't can it. This is called being decent and human, in the sense of using one's brains not one' s hormonal/adrenal system.

On the other side you have those who spout righteousness, green lawns and moral superiority who traffic in porn, diddle young boys and run around with every page and harlot they can get away with......not to mention the two facedness about liquor, drugs, gambling.

I'd rather just be who I am , even if that is attacking such hateful language. Rather be that, then the other side, two faced and a tin man.

DD
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twg



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Satori wrote:
twg wrote:
Junior wrote:
Satori wrote:

The article is a fake.


Absolutely, she lied for fun and there is no reason anyone could have said that about musim guys. Its mystifying.

Woman had a bad boyfriend who happened to be Arab and is pissed as *beep* at him.

Aint rocket science.

It may not be rocket science, but it seems to be a little bit much for you personally to fully grasp, William...


Looking at the evidence before us, she slagged a race of people based on one bad boyfriend. Maybe that racism was already there, maybe not. Regardless, my comments do not indicate any sort of support for her. Nor do we have any evidence that it IS a fake.

Bitter, angry ex unleashing her inner bigot is every bit as likely as "Junior got it from his white-power Yahoo group."

As a matter of fact, it could be a bit of both. Or it could be either one. Or it could be something else entirely. So put your dick back in your pants, Kiwiboy.
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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are plenty of men, let us say in the U.S., that want to go to bed with a girl on the first date, and if she doesn't put out, he will dump her.
Isn't that bad? Plenty of them will use a woman for sex and lead her on.
Does that mean American men are bad? It is a well established pattern that there are some American men like that. After all, don't some women call the men "dogs"? Yes, you do hear that. If you date a fellow from Italy who turns to be a cheater, cheating on his wife, and he is using you for sex and lying about being married, does it mean all Italian men are players? I am sure we all watched that show called "Cheaters". Suppose a woman dates an American man who cheats on her and then she dates a Russian man who does not, does that mean Russian men are more faithful? No, it does not. And there is so much cheating going out there, and some people here are posting as if it does not stink to high heaven back home.

In all cultures there are men who behave badly with some feeding off say the rampant individualism of the U.S., with some Muslim men feeding off
some bad parts of the traditional society etc....

Yes, there are some Middle Eastern men who have ideas that are not congruent which would lead them to lead a certain woman on, and it is up to a woman to be more discerning. If she dates one who seems to be quite traditional, but she is taken in by his good lucks, it is no different than a Western woman who goes for the bad who oozes of sex appeal without knowing what kind of values the fellow has. On another note, the Crusader knights supposedly picked up the idea of chivalry from the Middle East. I know those concepts still exist among many of the men down there. If you happen to date someone who has a closed-minded way of looking at tradition, then you should look at your choices as a woman. Most men are good. What needs to be done is have these views in their host countries combatted just as PC culture is needed in Korea.
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Satori



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

twg wrote:
Satori wrote:
twg wrote:
Junior wrote:
Satori wrote:

The article is a fake.


Absolutely, she lied for fun and there is no reason anyone could have said that about musim guys. Its mystifying.

Woman had a bad boyfriend who happened to be Arab and is pissed as *beep* at him.

Aint rocket science.

It may not be rocket science, but it seems to be a little bit much for you personally to fully grasp, William...


Looking at the evidence before us, she slagged a race of people based on one bad boyfriend. Maybe that racism was already there, maybe not. Regardless, my comments do not indicate any sort of support for her. Nor do we have any evidence that it IS a fake.

Bitter, angry ex unleashing her inner bigot is every bit as likely as "Junior got it from his white-power Yahoo group."

As a matter of fact, it could be a bit of both. Or it could be either one. Or it could be something else entirely. So put your *beep* back in your pants, Kiwiboy.

*sigh* it was fake, William, because she wrote "men", and it's highly unlikely she dated several arab men simultaneously, that goes against thier mysogynistic culture of men's ownership over women. It's also extremely unlikely that she had this terrible experience, and then turned around and dated several more arab men. The wording of the article gives her away. She was coached, it was political. It was either highly elaborated, or it never happened at all. There is no way in hell that this is just an angry jilted girlfriend with nothing political tied up in this issue.


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Satori



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adventurer wrote:
There are plenty of men, let us say in the U.S., that want to go to bed with a girl on the first date, and if she doesn't put out, he will dump her.
Isn't that bad?

It makes him an a-hole, but hardly on the same level as what was described in the fake article ( which does actually happen in reality, just not in this case ).

It's different. He said what he wanted, giving her the right to say "No thanks" and walk away. He's still an a-hole, but honest about it. I call that demanding and sleazy but not abusive and humiliating.

As for your general point, yes we're all very very familiar with the concept that just becuase one guy does xxx that not all guys do xxx. However there is plenty of evidence to suggest that Islam is a deeply mysogynistic culture. In other words, it's not just a few muslim men who feel and act this way.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dogbert wrote:
dulouz wrote:
A few years ago there was congrsessional hearings in DC over an issue where Arab men would romance an impregnate American women and then steal the children away to Saudi Arabia leaving the American women behind, streched out, older and sobbing.

In Europe, some European girls go head over heals for Arab men and they provide their most valuable asset they have, that being their mouths and vaginas to keep their boyfriends happy and together with them. When asked if the Arabs would ever marry their girlfriends, they would answer "no" because European women are too "slutty".


"Not Without My Baby"

You PC folks can can it. This is a long-established and well-known pattern.


Greek blokes in Australia have been guilty of similar things, taking kids away that they fathered with Aussie mums. Does that make Greeks a bunch of women-abusing, child-kidnapping fanatics as well?
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Satori



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaganath69 wrote:
dogbert wrote:
dulouz wrote:
A few years ago there was congrsessional hearings in DC over an issue where Arab men would romance an impregnate American women and then steal the children away to Saudi Arabia leaving the American women behind, streched out, older and sobbing.

In Europe, some European girls go head over heals for Arab men and they provide their most valuable asset they have, that being their mouths and vaginas to keep their boyfriends happy and together with them. When asked if the Arabs would ever marry their girlfriends, they would answer "no" because European women are too "slutty".


"Not Without My Baby"

You PC folks can can it. This is a long-established and well-known pattern.


Greek blokes in Australia have been guilty of similar things, taking kids away that they fathered with Aussie mums. Does that make Greeks a bunch of women-abusing, child-kidnapping fanatics as well?

Needless to say, that depends on how common it is. If there is enough evidence to suggest a pattern and not just some random guys, then you can say something.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaganath69 wrote:
dogbert wrote:
dulouz wrote:
A few years ago there was congrsessional hearings in DC over an issue where Arab men would romance an impregnate American women and then steal the children away to Saudi Arabia leaving the American women behind, streched out, older and sobbing.

In Europe, some European girls go head over heals for Arab men and they provide their most valuable asset they have, that being their mouths and vaginas to keep their boyfriends happy and together with them. When asked if the Arabs would ever marry their girlfriends, they would answer "no" because European women are too "slutty".


"Not Without My Baby"

You PC folks can can it. This is a long-established and well-known pattern.


Greek blokes in Australia have been guilty of similar things, taking kids away that they fathered with Aussie mums. Does that make Greeks a bunch of women-abusing, child-kidnapping fanatics as well?


Could be. Maybe it's a Mediterranean thing.

Maybe it's just a swarthy man thing, I don't know.

However, as Greece is in the EU, I'm guessing it's easier for such women to get their babies back than it would be getting them back from Iran or Saudi Arabia.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaganath69 wrote:
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Greek blokes in Australia have been guilty of similar things, taking kids away that they fathered with Aussie mums. Does that make Greeks a bunch of women-abusing, child-kidnapping fanatics as well?



I am not aware of Greek fathers fleeing to Greece with their children, but we do know that in the U.S. and Canada there are fathers who are neither Greek nor Eastern Mediterranean Muslim or Christian who kidnap their children. The Muslim who does so, does not do it to be misognystic, so it does not fit with the topic per se. They kidnap the children to raise the children in their faith. But there are also cases where a Muslim man may abandon his children and return to his home country and marry again. Men, regardless of nationality, have a mind of their own.

I agree that there is a pattern of abuse against women in Middle Eastern societies. The difference is too many traditional politicians in the Middle East block progress when it comes to women's rights. For example, it was with much effort that women got the vote in Kuwait. They received tht right some years ago in Bahrain. They had it for decades in Syria, but the vote means nothing there. There has been some progress, however. In Egypt, a woman can pass on her nationality which she couldn't do before. In Jordan, more women attend university than the men.

I would suggest this abuse is prominent among the so-called lower class
among Middle Eastern people. I don't mean simply in terms of financial means. But it often overlaps more than not. The family background, the education of the individual, his family all play a role in attitudes. I think we agree that most of us here are not saying the majority are not ideal men towards women. We are saying some of them are not. It also differs from country to country. There are four main Arab regions - the Maghreb, the Persian Gulf, the Syrian/Levant region, and the Nile Arab areas of Egypt and Sudan. Maybe if you did a regional study of the U.S., certain parts of the country are better for women than others as well.

There is a cause for alarm regarding violence in the Middle East, no doubt. It is a problem. But let us not forget our own backyard.
It is said 1 out of every 5 women in the U.S. will be raped in her life-time according to a book I read. That is serious. Violence against women is a world-wide problem that needs to be confronted.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did read that article in more detail. There is another whole in it. She claims Berbers are not allowed entry into Canada. Why in the world would Canada admit entry to those who are classed Berber (like Zidane's heritage) and admit only the Morrocans or Algerians who class themselves as Arabs.

So this person is referring to North African Arabs in that instance, and this lie about Berbers being refused entry is bogus, because I met plenty of Berber people in Montreal. They call themselves Amazigh. And that comment about the Arab man controlling how many sexual partners that does not jive with Junior was trying to drive home of some monolithic mass of Muslims. As far as Arab women simply being raised to satisfy men, that almost harks back from the literature of this feminist I read who wrote in English over 100 years ago from a Mary Wollencraft. The writer feeds into stereotypes of Arabs and the prejudices found among the public. She borrowed creatively from old literature and is feeding off the idea of the Arab man having a harem. The price of prejudice, ignorance is war and destruction.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adventurer wrote:

So this person is referring to North African Arabs in that instance, and this lie about Berbers being refused entry is bogus, because I met plenty of Berber people in Montreal. They call themselves Amazigh.


There are a variety of types of Berber. That is one. Not even berbers are a monolithic group.


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