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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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| Wonderful Sherlock, except that paedophilia is illegal and homosexuality is not. . |
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we weren't discussing illegalities, we were discussing perceptions. |
Obviously the issue of perception becomes moot when something is illegal. Society decided some time ago that it's fine to be homosexual, thus, it's legal. We have not yet decided that it's fine for homoseuxal to marry, thus the debate. I've no doubt in my mind that sanity will win out in the end. That's the way things tend to do, first there were black slaves, then they were freed but still persecuted, then they were integrated, then they were allowed to vote, and not it's illegal to discriminate against them. Same with women and the vote and women's rights. Society trends towards liberalisation, it's just the way of things. I know that sticks in your craw but, well, suck it up...
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| Society agrees that paedophilia is taboo, |
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So,if society decides that paedophila is no longer taboo, it will be acceptable? |
That is completely theoretical because society will never do that, thus I don't need to waste my time on it.
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God's moral laws play no part? Man decides what's right and wrong, not God? |
Yep, last time I checked that was indeed the state of things. And I would lay down my life to fight for that if I thought it was ever under any serious kind of threat. |
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Meegook
Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| Society trends towards liberalisation, it's just the way of things. I know that sticks in your craw but, well, suck it up... |
Yeah, and you best read my signature quote to see where that liberalizaion leads society and suck it up because the cliff is right ahead and you're heading for it as well as the rest of us.
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| Society agrees that paedophilia is taboo, |
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So,if society decides that paedophila is no longer taboo, it will be acceptable? |
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| That is completely theoretical because society will never do that, thus I don't need to waste my time on it. |
Society will never make pedophilia no longer taboo? I beg to differ. 40 years ago, when the homosexuals were coming out, no one thought homosexuals would be demanding equality in marriage or teaching that their's is an acceptable and even a prefered lifstyle that is being taught in the schools, and yet here we are with just that happening.
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God's moral laws play no part? Man decides what's right and wrong, not God? |
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| Yep, last time I checked that was indeed the state of things. And I would lay down my life to fight for that if I thought it was ever under any serious kind of threat. |
You lay down your life, don't make me laugh. The foundation of God's moral law is under serious threat now and you haven't got a clue.
Most moral laws are based upon God's law and the decay is coming about because of a planned and systematic departure from God's moral law. And the homosexual agenda is an attack on the family and the family is one of the three pillars of our civilization. When the family goes, so does our civilization and we're just about there now. |
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Satori
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:59 am Post subject: |
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Society will never make pedophilia no longer taboo? I beg to differ. 40 years ago, when the homosexuals were coming out, no one thought homosexuals would be demanding equality in marriage or teaching that their's is an acceptable and even a prefered lifstyle that is being taught in the schools, and yet here we are with just that happening.
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Homosexuality and paedophilia are very different for two reasons. There is strong conclusive research that shows that paedophilia is very damaging psychologicall and of course physically for the victim. There is no such evidence that homosexuality between two consenting adults is either physically or psychologically damaging. Second, a child has no choice, paedophilia is forced on the child, so of course we don't support that, we protect the weak who cannot protect themselves. Two consenting adults having homosexual sex is completely different from paedophilia. And paedophilia will never be legalised. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:07 am Post subject: |
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You lay down your life, don't make me laugh. The foundation of God's moral law is under serious threat now and you haven't got a clue.
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I would indeed lay down my life to fight against the establishment of a theocracy, especially a christian or muslim theocracy. And I think many people would, including some non evengelical christians with a sense of moral justice and a keen political awareness. Seperation of church and state, heard of it?
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Most moral laws are based upon God's law and the decay is coming about because of a planned and systematic departure from God's moral law. |
Wrong, actually things like women's rights, civil rights, and gay rights represent not a decay but a RAISING of moral standards in society. I see real progress and it gives me great hope for the future.
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And the homosexual agenda is an attack on the family and the family is one of the three pillars of our civilization. When the family goes, so does our civilization and we're just about there now. |
This one made me laugh, you are so clearly simply parroting things you've heard at church or read in your hateful little propaganda screeds.
Riddle me this batman, if homosexuals are, as you say, such a minute percentage of the population, then how in the name of christ can anything they do acually represent an attack on the family or anything else? There are so few on them that whatever they do is not going to affect the rest of us in any way at all. |
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Meegook
Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:14 am Post subject: |
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| Seperation of church and state, heard of it? |
You might want to learn how to spell. And yeah, I've heard of separation, it was written in a letter by Thomas Jefferson and is not found in the Constitution, no matter how much some wish it was.
We're not talking about womens' rights and civil rights, we're talking about 2% of the population telling the other 98% how it's going to be and how they're going to change our traditions.
Ask my feminist wife now that she's paying for the lie she believed and broke up a great family so she could be 'free.' and enjoy her rights. She's now working outside the home when before she didn't need to, is most likely concerned that she is going to be in need as she grows older because the State who helped her so easily obtain her 'his-fault' divorce, is not going to help her one iota now that she's on her own.
That's what I'm talking about when I say the attack on the family, a pillar of soceity.
Homosexuals can't create a family and shouldn't be given equal status with a couple who can.
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then how in the name of christ can anything they do acually represent an attack on the family or anything else? There are so few on them that whatever they do is not going to affect the rest of us in any way at all. |
A little leaven leaven the whole lump. One drop of urine in the water will stop me from drinking it.
If you've got to ask a question like that, you're not as educated as you may think you are. |
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SeoulFinn
Joined: 27 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:20 am Post subject: |
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| And by "God's moral law" you mean the ten commandments, right? So looks like homosexuals are guilty of breaking one of the commandments, that being the 6th... because many nations and states do not let them get married in the first place. |
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Satori
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:22 am Post subject: |
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| Seperation of church and state, heard of it? |
You might want to learn how to spell. And yeah, I've heard of separation, it was written in a letter by Thomas Jefferson and is not found in the Constitution, no matter how much some wish it was.
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So Thomas Jefferson not a respectable enough source for you then?
I'll leave this to the americans to step in for me if they will... |
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Meegook
Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:25 am Post subject: |
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| So Thomas Jefferson not a respectable enough sourse for you then? |
Along with trouble spelling separation, you have trouble in reading comprehension too?
The term separation of church and state is not in the constitution, and in fact is a fallacy repeated over and over again in an attempt to fool those who don't know any better. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:27 am Post subject: |
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We're not talking about womens' rights and civil rights, we're talking about 2% of the population telling the other 98% how it's going to be and how they're going to change our traditions.
Ask my feminist wife now that she's paying for the lie she believed and broke up a great family so she could be 'free.' and enjoy her rights. She's now working outside the home when before she didn't need to, is most likely concerned that she is going to be in need as she grows older because the State who helped her so easily obtain her 'his-fault' divorce, is not going to help her one iota now that she's on her own.
That's what I'm talking about when I say the attack on the family, a pillar of soceity.
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You're very confused. First you say we're NOT talking about women's rights and civil rights. Then you go into a rant about how your wife left you because of feminism. And you then say that this, meaning feminism, is the "attack on the family". But elsewhere you say it's homosexuality that is the "attack on the family".
You also say gays want to "change your traditions", they don't. Your traditions will stay exactly as they are, they will not be changed. They will simply be expanded to include all people. Your hetero marriage ceremony and what it means to you will not be "changed" at ALL! If a gay couple can get married that does not change in anyway what your hetero marriage means to you and your wife. |
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Satori
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:36 am Post subject: |
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Homosexuals can't create a family and shouldn't be given equal status with a couple who can.
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So this is the basis for thier lack of status now? I thought it was because god said it was evil? Make up your mind! You see, under your theory infertile couples would also not be able to get married too. People would have to do a fertility test and if they were infertile they would not be allowed to get married. |
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Satori
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:37 am Post subject: |
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| So Thomas Jefferson not a respectable enough sourse for you then? |
Along with trouble spelling separation, you have trouble in reading comprehension too?
The term separation of church and state is not in the constitution, and in fact is a fallacy repeated over and over again in an attempt to fool those who don't know any better. |
So you think a theocracy would be a good idea huh? |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:42 am Post subject: |
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| Along with trouble spelling separation, you have trouble in reading comprehension too? |
This from a man who started whining very loudly when it was pointed out that he didn't know a priori was two words?
Hypocrite. |
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Meegook
Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Your traditions will stay exactly as they are, they will not be changed. |
Giving people of the same sex equality in marriage the same as people of the opposite sex doesn't change traditional marriage?
And I suppose allowing a spouse to marry his or her dog wouldn't change it either.
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| So you think a theocracy would be a good idea huh? |
The best government is a benevolent King. We're coming back to that soon enough. The Lord Jesus Christ will reign as King of Kings.
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| I thought it was because god said it was evil? |
Can't be more than one? You're too much.
If homosexuals want to do their thing, that's up to them. But now they're on a crusade to get everyone doing their thing. Selling their lifestyle to school children as an accepatable alternative to heterosexual relations, equality with traditional marriages, hate laws protecting them from criticism, not allowing Biblical teaching against homosexuality, creeping pedophilia, adopting of children. Enough already. Stay in the bedroom and stop parading down the street advertising your perversion as is if we're the abnormal ones.
Turning the entire country into a Sodom and Gomorrah. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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| The best government is a benevolent King. We're coming back to that soon enough. |
Charles trumps Jesus. Sorry. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Who needs a constitution when we have Charlie Boy. Coming back to claim the Americas as truly British as it should always have been. Ah yes our divine representative of the COE is ready to take his throne. |
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