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Yonsei FLI- are they kidding?
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Beej



Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Location: Eungam Loop

PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:43 pm    Post subject: Yonsei FLI- are they kidding? Reply with quote

A while back there was a thread about the decline of this place. Now they are looking for a bunch of new teachers. 1.6!!!!!!! HAHAHA. they are offering 1.6 and they want three years experience or a Masters degree. And you must work on Saturdays.

This may be the worst job ever posted on Daves.

http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=21305
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ChuckECheese



Joined: 20 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe someone had a butterfinger and slipped. Maybe it's 2.6?
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SuperHero



Joined: 10 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

plus 800,000won bi-monthly housing allowance for a total of 2.0 per month.
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Paji eh Wong



Joined: 03 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Working Conditions
A. Teaching Days: Monday to Saturday
B. Teaching Hours: Minimum 12hrs Maximum 24hrs per week

Salary and Housing
A. Basic Payment: 1.6 Million won/ per month
B. Housing Subsidy: 800,000 won (bimonthly)


If it's 1.6 for the minumum 12 hours, and then you have opportunities top your salary, that's not too bad. If it's 1.6 up to 24 hours, then its terrible.
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babtangee



Joined: 18 Dec 2004
Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!

PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SuperHero wrote:
plus 800,000won bi-monthly housing allowance for a total of 2.0 per month.


Yeah, that's 2 mil. without housing though.
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They've managed to run the place into the ground. Remember what they USED TO offer...more vacation, higher pay, and a comparatively sparser contact hour load (with Wed off). The teachers were serious and they worked hard.

The sad, and perhaps illegal, thing is that Yonsei's FLI is still conning its students into thinking that they have top rated staff. They don't any more. Despite all it's proclamations, the FLI is just another money grubbing hakwon, and now it's not even as good as some of the bigger chains!

Pathetic. For people looking for a new job...STAY AWAY.
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ChopChaeJoe



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

looks like a pretty crappy job. I'm sure it's geared toward the desperately looking for a job types. And i've seen a few of them posting lately, so I imagine they'll fill their slots.
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JZer



Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For that 1.6 you also get to have the opportunity to teach children. The add for teaching university students is interesting. They are looking for 12 instructors. Red light that something is wrong.
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JZer



Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless one insist on living in Seoul why would anyone work for 1.6 to teach children. You can get 2.4 to 2.6 with housing. This is not like working at some FLI center teaching adults in hopes of moving up the ladder and finding a better uniwog or actual university job.
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't 1.6 pretty much the going rate for those, AHEM, sans actual degrees? Rolling Eyes
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da_moler



Joined: 11 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know a girl who is a student at Yonsei. She told me the teachers there are terrible. It's no surprise given the pay and conditions in the ad.
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hellofaniceguy



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: On your computer screen!

PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Yonsei FLI- are they kidding? Reply with quote

Beej wrote:
A while back there was a thread about the decline of this place. Now they are looking for a bunch of new teachers. 1.6!!!!!!! HAHAHA. they are offering 1.6 and they want three years experience or a Masters degree. And you must work on Saturdays.

This may be the worst job ever posted on Daves.

http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=21305


Over the years...I've been known as.....not so nice person on this site because of my rants, criticism of koreans, etc....
however.... the low salaries, bad working conditions, and all the other host of problems are also the fault of....non koreans...foreigners.
Working for such low wages, many classes a day, slum type housing for the majority, non payment of wages for many, and on and on......again, the fault in my opinion, is us, the foreigners. We agree to accept the low standards that koreans have set by virture of coming to korea and working.
While korea does have some great things, it will never be like back home.
It would be nice if workers would not come to korea! Then....koreans would start to realize that the world does not revolve around them.
I am sure teachers/workers in China or elsewhere also have problems as well as having problems in their own country...but..it sure seems that the majority have more problems with koreans.
So, we really can't squawk, whine or cry. We bring it on ourselves.
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da_moler



Joined: 11 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with you totally hellofaniceguy. In any country, any school treating you badly and ripping you off always has the hold over you that "we receive ten resumes a day", "you can be replaced tomorrow", etc. If people didn't accept it, they'd have to change, but there's always someone with problems and low self-esteem who'll accept anything, even this joke of a job in Yonsei FLI!
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay- some of you didn't get my point.

1.6 is the average salary offered to illegal teachers- those without degrees. This school was dumb enough to put it in writing.

Oh, and it's ILLEGAL teachers- no degrees, no skills, content to get drunk and do drugs, and happy to rat out others for the boss and kiss butt- who do a GREAT DEAL to help hogwan owners keep salaries down and quality low.
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da_moler



Joined: 11 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wylies99, I can't agree. Yonsei FLI is asking for teachers with BA degree and a lot of experience, or an MA. Do you really think they are employing people with neither??

If you add the housing allowance, the salary is not much worse than places like Pagoda that don't offer housing, and of course Yonsei offers more vacation and, possible, better uni-type experience for the resume.
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