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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Most of my favorite countries are mediocre - Portugal, Argentina, Germany, Norway, Italy, Turkey. Granted, if any of these countries tried to bypass the UN to invade a country, they'd get screwed in the behind (probably by the US) but I know where I'd rather visit, I know their women are far easier on the eye and ear, and their cashiers probably speak better English. [/b] |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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I have to agree with the thread title. Why become cannon fodder for some scummy politician's fetish? Beiruit, anyone? Hundreds of marins killed by Iranian-backed weirdos, and then Ronnie Ray-Gun goes and sells them weapons to fund nun-raping revolutionaries in Latin America.
Nobody is going to invade the US. 9/11 could have been prevened without a military.
Panama turned out alright, I guess. |
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otis
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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| ChopChaeJoe wrote: |
I have to agree with the thread title. Why become cannon fodder for some scummy politician's fetish? Beiruit, anyone? Hundreds of marins killed by Iranian-backed weirdos, and then Ronnie Ray-Gun goes and sells them weapons to fund nun-raping revolutionaries in Latin America.
Nobody is going to invade the US. 9/11 could have been prevened without a military.
Panama turned out alright, I guess. |
I think this man is drunk.
I'd really complain, but I've had a couple also. |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| otis wrote: |
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I have to agree with the thread title. Why become cannon fodder for some scummy politician's fetish? Beiruit, anyone? Hundreds of marins killed by Iranian-backed weirdos, and then Ronnie Ray-Gun goes and sells them weapons to fund nun-raping revolutionaries in Latin America.
Nobody is going to invade the US. 9/11 could have been prevened without a military.
Panama turned out alright, I guess. |
I think this man is drunk.
I'd really complain, but I've had a couple also. |
You think wrong. it happens when you're drinking. However, I have had 750 mL of diet coke and three cans of coffee, so maybe I'm caffeine drunk. What i said is true, tho. |
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otis
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:15 am Post subject: |
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| ChopChaeJoe wrote: |
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I have to agree with the thread title. Why become cannon fodder for some scummy politician's fetish? Beiruit, anyone? Hundreds of marins killed by Iranian-backed weirdos, and then Ronnie Ray-Gun goes and sells them weapons to fund nun-raping revolutionaries in Latin America.
Nobody is going to invade the US. 9/11 could have been prevened without a military.
Panama turned out alright, I guess. |
I think this man is drunk.
I'd really complain, but I've had a couple also. |
You think wrong. it happens when you're drinking. However, I have had 750 mL of diet coke and three cans of coffee, so maybe I'm caffeine drunk. What i said is true, tho. |
Sure it is. |
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hairy sue
Joined: 18 May 2006
Location: weewee heaven
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 1:26 am Post subject: |
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| If I was in the US military and I had to choose between U2 and REM I'd go with U2. |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:36 am Post subject: |
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Led Zepplin!!!
cbc |
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Oreovictim
Joined: 23 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:26 am Post subject: |
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The first Iraq war. Well, we left it unfinished.
Left the first Iraq war unfinished. Collin Powell said that we wanted to keep Iraq powerful enough to keep Iran in check, but not powerful enough to be a threat. The U.S. didn't give a flying fig about Saddam's horrible acts until 1990: that's when he invaded Kuwait.
It's funny, in 2003, George Bush Sr. said that we shouldn't be in this war.
About the terrorists over there . . . you see, when you bomb Baghdad, and then you find out that there were never weapons of mass destruction, you tend to piss off the locals. The U.S. was pissed off because of 911. Do they have a reason to be mad? You bet. But when an Iraq citizen hates us and wants revenge, then THEY'RE terrorists.
I'm from the United States and I definitely don't agree with your opinions. But I have a right to disagree, right? |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: Never Join the US Military |
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| Do not join the military! |
One of the most sensible posts I've witnessed from otis.
Having become slightly disillusioned with teaching, I was seriously considering making the career change.
I particularly like the idea of 'under-the-oak-tree-counselling', and establishing a verbal contract with my chain of command.
But thanks to otis, I won't be making this mistake.
Thanks big guy! |
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superacidjax
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: Never Join the US Military |
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The Chinese haven't invaded another country except for Vietnam. Did not have an arrogant leadership that sent it to invade Iraq without planning?
Washington sent the troops out there without proper preparation. It is like sending a good team out there without preparing them with a strategy. How smart is that? And you are blaming the liberals for that?
The Spanish government sent troops despite the majority opposing such a venture. That is in contrast to 75% of the U.S. population that supported the misadventure based on what they were led to believe.
The Spanish population eventually got their wish not to be involved when the Socialists were elected. You are twisting everything.
Had the U.S. had a plan, things were organized, there wasn't the crazy de-Baathification those 3,000 soldiers would not be dead. |
I have to disagree with several points. First, China has invaded another country besides Vietnam, they invaded Tibet.
Secondly, the Iraq invasion was extremely well-planned, I know, I used to be a Chemical Corps officer in the US Army. The problem wasn't in the planning, it was with the follow-up. Insurgencies and civil war are always a contingency. The best plan in the world goes out the window the second boots hit the ground. The objective was attained: regime change. The mess now is a stability operation, largely in the hands of the new Iraqi government.
As far as casualties, 3000 is a very low number compared to the number of dead in other conflicts. Look at WWII, look at the Korean conflict. 3000 is still a high price to pay, but we've paid higher prices.
Finally, the Spanish elected Socialists due to a well-timed terrorist attack in Madrid 3 days before the election. The terrorists were concerned that the Spanish would continue to support anti-terror measures so they used a bombing to influence the election. Neville Chamberlain would be very proud of the Spanish response. Since 9-11, the US has had no terror attacks on its soil. Zero. Something is going right -- it sure isn't due to Socialist victories that terror attacks haven't happened in the US.
On a final note, the 3000 US dead is tragic, however how many people have died under the Saddam regime? 3000 is a pitance compared to the butchery of the Baath regime.
Read about the Madrid attack here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/11_March_2004_Madrid_train_bombings
For more discussion on global security, economics and politics, visit my blog: http://superacidjax.blogspot.com |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:08 pm Post subject: Re: Never Join the US Military |
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| superacidjax wrote: |
Secondly, the Iraq invasion was extremely well-planned, I know, I used to be a Chemical Corps officer in the US Army. The problem wasn't in the planning, it was with the follow-up. Insurgencies and civil war are always a contingency. The best plan in the world goes out the window the second boots hit the ground. The objective was attained: regime change. The mess now is a stability operation, largely in the hands of the new Iraqi government. |
I suspect that was what Adventurer meant - the lack of a post invasion plan.
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| Finally, the Spanish elected Socialists due to a well-timed terrorist attack in Madrid 3 days before the election. The terrorists were concerned that the Spanish would continue to support anti-terror measures so they used a bombing to influence the election. Neville Chamberlain would be very proud of the Spanish response. Since 9-11, the US has had no terror attacks on its soil. Zero. Something is going right -- it sure isn't due to Socialist victories that terror attacks haven't happened in the US. |
This is one take on it (popular with mainstream American media outlets and other supporters of the Iraq war). The other explanation goes like this. 90% of Spaniards did not want their government to take them into Iraq in the first place. The government ignored the strong opposition of the electorate and went ahead anyway. So many people were probably already planning to punish the Aznar government anyway. But another factor was this: Aznar and his government tried to blame the attack on a domestic terrorist group, Eta (a Basque separatist movement). This was despite any evidence of their involvement. Then, despite the fact that police were finding evidence that pointed to Islamist involvement, Aznar - for domestic political reasons - continued to publicly blame Eta (perhaps assuming he could get away with it until the looming election was over). This deceit infuriated the population. The government was toppled.
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| On a final note, the 3000 US dead is tragic, however how many people have died under the Saddam regime? 3000 is a pitance compared to the butchery of the Baath regime. |
That's just the figure for the American soldiers. There would in fact be no dead American soldiers in Iraq if it hadn't been for the occupation. But it wasn't just 3000 dead was it? The latest estimate is more than 650,000 dead, making Saddam look a tad bit lazy in the killing stakes. |
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superacidjax
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:18 pm Post subject: Re: Never Join the US Military |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| The latest estimate is more than 650,000 dead, making Saddam look a tad bit lazy in the killing stakes. |
Of course, counting total dead, the Vietnam, Korean and WWII would be considered holocausts in comparison. No war is pretty, but Iraq is going better than most. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:22 pm Post subject: Re: Never Join the US Military |
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| Of course, counting total dead, the Vietnam, Korean and WWII would be considered holocausts in comparison. No war is pretty, but Iraq is going better than most. |
It might be going "better than most," but where is it going? |
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superacidjax
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:36 pm Post subject: Re: Never Join the US Military |
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It might be going "better than most," but where is it going? |
Hopefully it's going in a direction that will allow the Iraqi government to consolidate the different viewpoints within the country. If the religious elements would dedicate their efforts to creating industry and developing trade rather than shooting at everyone Iraq would be a much better place. God and bullets seem to dance way to frequently.
I'll be glad when the coalition can leave Iraq, but that's up to the Iraqi government. Of course, the coalition could leave tomorrow, but that would just plunge the entire region into a civil war unlike any we've seen, except maybe with the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia..
It's a mess, but like the former Yugoslavia it is a mess that was inevitable upon the demise of the oppressive government. And like Yugoslavia, it will take years to sort everything out. Iraq was a pressure cooker before the coalition went in. The coalition forces simply popped the lid.. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:48 pm Post subject: Re: Never Join the US Military |
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| superacidjax wrote: |
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It might be going "better than most," but where is it going? |
Hopefully it's going in a direction that will allow the Iraqi government to consolidate the different viewpoints within the country. . |
Hopefully being the operative word, eh?  |
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