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deadman
Joined: 27 May 2006 Location: Suwon
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:48 pm Post subject: "Death note" |
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In my first lesson this morning, with sixth graders, a black covered, artfully prepared notebook happened to find its way into my hands. (It was being passed around or something).
It had the words "Death Note" on the front, [EDIT for clarity - he'd made the notebook himself, not bought it] and inside the first six pages were printed and glued "Rules of the Death Note", (conveniently written in both English and Korean), white writing on black background (he must've used a lot of printer ink), and adorned with the odd skull here and there.
While my coteacher was doing her thing I read through them. I found them on the internet later at Rules Of The Death Note - here they are:
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How to Use: I
The Human whose name is written in this note shall die.
This Note will not take effect unless the writer has the person's face in their mind when writing his/her name. Therefore, people sharing the same name will not be affected.
If the cause of death is written within 40 seconds of writing the person's name, it will happen.
If the cause of death is not specified, the person will simply die of a heart attack.
After writing the cause of death, details of the death should be written in the next 6 minutes and 40 seconds.
How to Use: II
This note shall become the property of the human world, once it touches the ground of (arrives in) the human world.
The owner of the note can recognize the image and voice of the original owner, i.e a god of death.
The human who uses this note can neither go to Heaven nor Hell.
How to Use: III
If the time of death is written within 40 seconds after writing the cause of death as a heart attack, the time of death can be manipulated, and the time can go into effect within 40 seconds after writing the name.
The human who touches the DEATH NOTE can recognize the image and voice of its original owner, a god of death, even if the human is not the owner of the note.
How to Use: IV
The person in possession of the DEATH NOTE is possessed by a god of death, its original owner, until they die.
If a human uses the note, a god of death usually appears in front of him/her after he/she uses the note.
Gods of death, the original owners of the DEATH NOTE, do not do, in principle, anything which will help or prevent the deaths in the note.
A god of death has no obligation to completely explain how to use the note or rules which will apply to the human who owns it.
How to Use: V
A god of death can extend his life by putting human names on the note, but humans cannot.
A person can shorten his or her own life by using the note.
The human who becomes the owner of the DEATH NOTE can, in exchange of half his/her remaining life, get the eyeballs of the god of death which will enable him/her to see a human's name and remaining lifetime when looking though them.
A god of death cannot be killed even if stabbed in his heart with a knife or shot in the head with a gun. However, there are ways to kill a god of death, which are not generally known to the gods of death.
How to Use: VI
The conditions for death will not be realized unless it is physically possible for that human or it is reasonably assumed to be carried out by that human.
The specific scope of the condition for death is not known to the gods of death, either. So, you must examine and find out.
If any user of death note writes his/her name, he/she dies and become a death god
How to Use: VII
One page taken from the DEATH NOTE, or even a fragment of the page, contains the full effects of the note.
The instrument to write with can be anything, ((e.g. cosmetics, blood, etc)) as long as it can write directly onto the note and remains as legible letters.
Even the original owners of the DEATH NOTE, gods of death, do not know much about the note. |
This was followed by some chinese characters on the first notebook page, and then such-and-such name: Death by gunshot. Such-and-such name: Death by heart attack.
Whew. Pretty stong stuff. Without making a big deal of it, I tore the pages out of the book, to the evident dismay of its owner, who was watching.
I had a chat to him and his friend with my coteacher after class - not telling them off, except when referring to the names they'd written in there, just explaining why its not a good idea to do that sort of thing. Apparently he had seen a movie (It's from a japanese manga series) and they were just playing around with it, as kids do.
I said, well, when the movie finishes leave it behind. Don't make it part of your life. They were pretty cool about it, and agreed not to do it.
My coteacher was quite upset, and spoke to their teacher, and they thought the boys' parents should be informed. I hope they don't make a big deal about it though, If its a one-off thng that is discontinued then harsh rebuke would be couterproductive. If it continues, though, it needs to be dealt with seriously.
It's not a good hing by any measure, I feel. Even at it's most benign, it's still kids making list of other kids they want to die. At worst, they could be knowingly or unknowingly invoking negative forces for malicious intent. I'd feel the same way about kids playing with a ouiji board - they should be discouraged, but with love nd support.
What do you think - harmless pop culture, no more dangeous than Elvis' thrusting pelvis, or has it crossed the line into potentially harmful territory?
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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Its a japanese movie. I saw it, its pretty interesting but I think its idiotic that these kids are allowed to buy such things. They have No fucking clue what some of the english means.
I have Kids saying 0h *beep* in my class and the Korean teacher does nothing. It pisses my off, she is useless in my opinion. SHe says they don't understand, I don't give a flying rats ass, its not something you say in a classroom. I explained why they know now when they use it they are out of my classroom. |
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Hotpants
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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There's a whole slew of death note-type horror movies from Korea and Japan that involve high school girls and are really quite grisly. I've also noticed quite a lot of odd stuff in manga and anime. The weirdest one I've seen was one about a lesbian boarding school called 'Strawberry Panic'. Wonder whether it sparked a Korean middle school lesbian epidemic? --Anyone noticed? I also once lived with for a while with a 16 year old Korean girl who refused to watch any TV programs that had real people in them. She told me that real actors were 'too dull'! It's funny that you'd never guess that there was such an appeal for extreme fantasy by the zombie like expressions that greet you in many Korean classrooms.
I think a lot of the kids seriously have a lot of trouble distinguishing the animated world from the real one - although it's not exclusively a Korean problem. (As we know, many psychotic attacks in the West have been prompted by the influence of fictitious characters). I think it was a good idea that you had a chat with him, so well done! You probably destroyed all his fantasies, though!
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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Some Korean kids, especially teenage girls, can have very morbid minds. I have a grade 1 HS student whose English name is Sad Bloody Aroma who's always drawing the most macabre sketches and likes to deface things with skulls. So far as I can tell it's pretty benign, and she's very nice to me despite the fact she obviously doesn't like learning English. Last year in grade 3 MS she was the dominant in a pseudo-lesbian relationship, but her girlfriend went to a different high school and she still seems to lonely and depressed because of it. Perhaps all that morbid crap is just a way of coping and better than holding it all inside. |
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xtchr
Joined: 23 Nov 2004
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:06 am Post subject: |
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And yet your username for Dave's is Deadman??? |
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sheba
Joined: 16 May 2005 Location: Here there and everywhere!
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:48 am Post subject: |
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My kids have been talking about this movie for the past 2 weeks! It must be pretty popular. I think you dealt with it approapriately. The kids just need to be told what is acceptable and what is not.... hope their parents arent TOO hard on them. |
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babtangee
Joined: 18 Dec 2004 Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:07 am Post subject: |
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Pffft. They're just writing some innane crap. It's from a movie, for crying out loud. Who gives a toss if Billy has childish fantasies about wishing a gunshot wound to Jenny's head. Everyone has such fantasies to some extent. It's part of what prevents people from acting upon them, and indicates nothing but a healthy imagination. I don't think it's a good idea to make kids feel guilty for passively hating someone who made them look an arse in public. |
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thu_tinh
Joined: 27 Sep 2006
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:12 am Post subject: |
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yeah some of my students made these notebooks and I have to say they are NICE looking ones!
Especially since back home I have a younger brother who went and brought one that looks just as good as the ones the kids makes. |
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twg

Joined: 02 Nov 2006 Location: Getting some fresh air...
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:42 am Post subject: |
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a lesbian boarding school called 'Strawberry Panic'. |
I deem this to be: Cool.
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I have a grade 1 HS student whose English name is Sad Bloody Aroma |
This too. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:37 am Post subject: |
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I hope you corrected his Konglish and explained to him that it's a "notebook" and not a "note". |
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deadman
Joined: 27 May 2006 Location: Suwon
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:41 am Post subject: |
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babtangee wrote: |
Pffft. They're just writing some innane crap. It's from a movie, for crying out loud. Who gives a toss if Billy has childish fantasies about wishing a gunshot wound to Jenny's head. Everyone has such fantasies to some extent. It's part of what prevents people from acting upon them, and indicates nothing but a healthy imagination. I don't think it's a good idea to make kids feel guilty for passively hating someone who made them look an arse in public. |
Not all imagination is healthy. Sure, for some its a meaningless reproduction of what they saw in a movie, but with others they may take it more seriously. Some kids are capable of really investing heavily in what they choose to believe, something us adult, travelled-the-world types might forget.
Its hardly passive - explicitly following a set of rules, carrying out the prescribed actions according to the ritual, and entering into a covenant with the God of Death, if they choose to believe it (and some might). Even worse if they hate the person. The reward - the anticipated death of their chosen target, The cost - posession by the God of death.
Most kids engage in it in a relatively harmless way, but there is a potential for danger which as a teacher interested in their spiritual well being you should be aware of.
I agree they shouldn't be made to feel guilty for an innocent imitation of the movie, and I stressed with my coteacher that they should not be personally attacked or reprimanded (the first time) but they should see the seriousness of the action of inscribing someones name and manner of death in their death note with malicious intent in mind. That's not good by any measure of behaviour |
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deadman
Joined: 27 May 2006 Location: Suwon
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:57 am Post subject: |
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xtchr wrote: |
And yet your username for Dave's is Deadman??? |
Yes, the irony was not lost on me (although I'm not sure irony is stricly the right word)
I do, however, refrain from teaching the Black Arts to the students in class. I save that for the special after school classes. This week we're looking at how the bible is nothing but a pack of boring lies and how Jesus died because he was weak and stupid. Next week we're looking at how to evoke and command spirits.
But that "Death Note" stuff has CROSSED THE LINE! |
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passport220

Joined: 14 Jun 2006 Location: Gyeongsangbuk-do province
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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I had a middle school 2nd grader come to the front of the class to show me the same thing 1st period yesterday. I complemented him on his penmanship and told him to sit down. |
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butlerian

Joined: 04 Sep 2006 Location: Korea
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, they're everywhere in one of the schools I'm working at. The teachers here don't seem to mind, and from what I've seen nothing sinister is going on so I guess it's not a big problem. |
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spliff

Joined: 19 Jan 2004 Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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Pretty normal behavior for school boys, IMHO. We did it back in High School. Actually, had four kids die by their own hands that were involved in the activity. I wouldn't consider it a problem....  |
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