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Big_Bird



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:11 am    Post subject: Post Food for thought Reply with quote

On this thread - post 'food for thought.' Nice or not.

I just found this comment posted on a website. It rather hits home and has you thinking about things you'd rather put to one side. Not very delicious food for thought...

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I evade my personal responsibility for the things I choose to do. I blame the government, the oil companies, George Bush, the economy, the wealthy and anybody else I can think of for the destruction that my lifestyle causes.

I put my comfort, my convienence and my conformity ahead of the lives and livlihoods of thousands of future generations, and I try not to think too much about my daily contribution to the destruction of the world that was left to me by thousands of past generations. I put myself far, far ahead of my ancestors and decendents and take from them for the most trivial of reasons.

I ignore the real human pain, suffering and death that my behaviour causes. I turn the page, switch the channel, and change the topic of conversation. I pretend that the science isn't definitive yet, or that there's no point in changing before others do, and I convince myself that 'scientists' will come up with a technological solution that will make my lifestyle and me OK.

I avoid, I deny, I justify and rationalise, I pretend, I project, I squirm and sqeeze and do whatever I can to maintain my concept of myself as a good person while still doing what I do. I evade my moral responsibility a day at a time in the hope that reality will somehow be different tomorrow morning.

I steal from those who live far away from me, and who I do not know because I see their pain as cartoon pain, and not fully real. I casally destroy what future generations will depend upon to live because they have yet to be born and it is only me, and my time and my normalcy that is important.

I am like those who, sixty years ago, did their jobs and lived their normal lives and didn't ask questions about where their jewish neighbours had gone. I am like those who participated in slavery and other atrocities, except that the effects of my crimes will outlast all those others.

And it is OK, because today I am normal, and busy, and have other things on my mind and, if what I do is really so bad so many people wouldn't be doing the same, would they?

But when, in the hours before I die, I think back upon my life and what it has meant, I must do one thing. I must hope and hope and pray and pray that there is nothing beyond life and beyong time and beyond myself, that there is no blance, no karma, no morality and no justice.

Because if there is, and I do what I do, knowing what I know....

Well, lets not think about that.

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S/he's talking about her/his daily contribution to environmental disaster of course.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1946996,00.html
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Satori



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My food for thought is that the above is a very transparent peice of manipulative propaganda, and utterly worthless.
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SPINOZA



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great post, BB.

Food for thought: 80% of those entering prison in the UK do so related to drug addiction (CNN figs on TV today).

I assume the figure is similar if not higher in other Western countries.

It's an expensive, disgraceful mess, it's an abhorrence. Prohibition must be crushed.
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tiger fancini



Joined: 21 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



Food for Thought


Ivory madonna dying in the dust,
Waiting for the manna coming from the west.
Barren is her bosom, empty as her eyes,
Death a certain harvest scattered from the skies.

Skin and bones is creeping, doesn't know he's dead
Ancient eyes are peeping, from his infant head
Politician`s argue sharpening their knives
Drawing up their Bargains, trading baby lives.

Ivory madonna dying in the dust,
Waiting for the manna coming from the west.

Hear the bells are ringing, Christmas on it's way.
Hear the angels singing, what is that they say?
Eat and drink rejoicing, joy is here to stay.
Jesus son of Mary is born again today.
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sillywilly



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Canada.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Satori wrote:
My food for thought is that the above is a very transparent peice of manipulative propaganda, and utterly worthless.


Thanks for coming out.

OK... My food for thought:

If there's such thing as heaven, do you think it's consistent or that it's molded subjectively. If it's the former, then what's it like?
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Satori



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seriouly, that's my food for thought, and I'm gonna talk about it some more because it's important food.

It's not only reprehensible to try to appeal to guilt to force someone to see something a certain way, it's insulting to the intelligence. And it's not effective. The moment I spot the mechanics of manipulation in a text I switch off completely and I'm quite sure that many people with integrity are the same. Doesn't matter if the message underneath has merit or not, don't write at me like that. It shows me you are disingenuous. If you seek to alter someones consciousness do it in an up front way, not this sly backhanded sleaze. This generation is too hip to be condescended to like that. This writing shows me the author has no integrity. I prefer writing where ideas are presented to me and I'm allowed to interact with them and form my own thesis. This is low order thinking, and I prefer higher order thinking.

So my food for thought is, try to recognise when you are being manipulated, when someone is trying to change the way you look at things. Advertising, most news, and rubbish like the OP are big culprits of this low class condscending manipulative mode of expression. And before you catch your breath and go "wait a minute, isn't he trying to change my way of thinking too?", I am, but I'm stating my message clearly and forcefully, you know what's happening when you're reading this, there is no subterfuge.

Im a distinctly liberal leaning environmentally conscious person myself, and I just wish the team I'm on was not filled with so many foul weavals with no character or backbone.
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sillywilly



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That second post sounded more like food for thought than your first one. But wtf do I know? I'm not exactly a philosopher. Very Happy
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VanIslander



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Am I the only one thinking of food?

Meal time!
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Big_Bird



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SPINOZA wrote:
Great post, BB.

Food for thought: 80% of those entering prison in the UK do so related to drug addiction (CNN figs on TV today).

I assume the figure is similar if not higher in other Western countries.

It's an expensive, disgraceful mess, it's an abhorrence. Prohibition must be crushed.


I quite agree with your position Mr Spin. I remember listening to an a top brass in the Australian police argue very rationally for why A class drugs should be decriminalised (or legalised - I can't remember exactly which position he took). He argued that the root of most crime he dealt with could be traced to desperate drug addicts doing what they could to get money for the next hit. Since then I've read and thought a lot about it, and I agree with him. I also think about vulnerable young people who run away from home, or get into the wrong hands and are offered heroin freely until they become hooked. Then their 'friend' reveals themself as a pimp and forces them to go on the game so they can earn enough to feed the habit. This is quite common by the way. Because the bloody stuff's illegal it's really pricey, so a person on an ordinary income has to resort to extraordinary things. The addiction keeps the unfortunate addict tethered to their 'activities.' It should be treated as a sickness rather than a wickedness. It also makes the wrong people rich. In fact, for that reason it would be hard to decriminalise it, because some very influential people profit enormously from it. Anyway, I'm not going to write a beautiful essay on it - suffice to say there may be reasons against it, but there are plenty reasons for it.
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flakfizer



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Satori wrote:
Seriouly, that's my food for thought, and I'm gonna talk about it some more because it's important food.

It's not only reprehensible to try to appeal to guilt to force someone to see something a certain way, it's insulting to the intelligence. And it's not effective. The moment I spot the mechanics of manipulation in a text I switch off completely and I'm quite sure that many people with integrity are the same. Doesn't matter if the message underneath has merit or not, don't write at me like that. It shows me you are disingenuous. If you seek to alter someones consciousness do it in an up front way, not this sly backhanded sleaze. This generation is too hip to be condescended to like that. This writing shows me the author has no integrity. I prefer writing where ideas are presented to me and I'm allowed to interact with them and form my own thesis. This is low order thinking, and I prefer higher order thinking.

So my food for thought is, try to recognise when you are being manipulated, when someone is trying to change the way you look at things. Advertising, most news, and rubbish like the OP are big culprits of this low class condscending manipulative mode of expression. And before you catch your breath and go "wait a minute, isn't he trying to change my way of thinking too?", I am, but I'm stating my message clearly and forcefully, you know what's happening when you're reading this, there is no subterfuge.

Im a distinctly liberal leaning environmentally conscious person myself, and I just wish the team I'm on was not filled with so many foul weavals with no character or backbone.

What do you know? I agree with Satori. In a similar vein, I hate this sort of thing in movies/dramas too when overacting or the obvious swelling of emotion-inducing music is used to illicit a particular reaction. It is insulting to the intelligence in the same way laugh-tracks were. The ploy is to goad you to feel a certain way by playing on your emotion directly rather than appealing to your rational mind and letting your emotions follow naturally from what transpires there.

On a side note, I seriously thought this thread was going to be a spin-off of that "post pics that make you homesick" thread but dedicated only to pics of food.
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Satori



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

flakfizer wrote:

What do you know? I agree with Satori.

Is that a rare ocurrance buddy?
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flakfizer



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Satori wrote:
flakfizer wrote:

What do you know? I agree with Satori.

Is that a rare ocurrance buddy?

Somehow I feel that it may be, but I have a bad tendency to get dave's posters and their posts mixed up.
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Boodleheimer



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've found that i have a distaste for religions that try to convert people actively. i've also found that i have a distaste for religions you have to be born into to be a 100% full-on member.

so what's left? buddhism, i guess.
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Satori



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KWhitehead wrote:
i've found that i have a distaste for religions that try to convert people actively. i've also found that i have a distaste for religions you have to be born into to be a 100% full-on member.

so what's left? buddhism, i guess.

My thoughts exactly...
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