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Teaching English to Painfully Shy K-Teachers...I'm Dyin Here
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Doogie



Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Location: Hwaseong City

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:25 pm    Post subject: Teaching English to Painfully Shy K-Teachers...I'm Dyin Here Reply with quote

Any ideas about how I can get them to open up a bit? Any possible websites that I can use for everyday English (conversational)? Heck, I'll take any ideas that will get them to open up a bit and get over themselves.
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midian3x



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://bogglesworldesl.com/lessons/Nov2001.htm

click around and see if anything grabs your eye
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does your classroom have a TV. I had the same problem as you and I found that bringing some beer and soju to class along w/ snacks (K-folk won't drink w/out them), helped loosen up things . Also, have some good USA porn Cd's ready for when they're warmed up (K-folk are really interested in US culture and porn in general)! After, you can introduce the game for spin the bottle! Remember, they have to make a present continuous sentence for every article of clothing they remove... Very Happy

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Doogie



Joined: 19 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spliff wrote:
Does your classroom have a TV. I had the same problem as you and I found that bringing some beer and soju to class along w/ snacks (9K-folk won't drink w/out them), helped loosen up things . Also, have some good USA porn Cd's ready for when they're warmed up (K-folk are really interested in US culture and porn in general)! After, you can introduce the game for spin the bottle! Remember, they have to make a present continuous sentence for every article of clothing they remove... Very Happy

Not a bad idea.....there are a couple of hotties in this class. Laughing Laughing
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Hotpants



Joined: 27 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, Spliff may have a point. Can you take them outside to socialize around a pizza and a Cass or something? (Must be somewhere that THEY recommend, as in my experience, they invariably dislike any venue that I choose!) Then, when the ice is (perhaps) broken, then you can apply traditional teaching methodology.

Also, something that took me some time to realize...many Korean adults like to PLAY at being shy. I don't take 'shy' for an answer anymore! Smile
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spliff



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right.....Shy = innocent = cute = good..... Embarassed
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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:34 am    Post subject: Re: Teaching English to Painfully Shy K-Teachers...I'm Dyin Reply with quote

Doogie wrote:
Any ideas about how I can get them to open up a bit? Any possible websites that I can use for everyday English (conversational)? Heck, I'll take any ideas that will get them to open up a bit and get over themselves.


i managed to dramatically improve mine by promoting a warm and humorous approach. We sit around in a close group. Although I dictate the action, I give them time to chat a bit in Korean and bond. Take an interest in each person. get rid of any troublemakers.
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oldfatfarang



Joined: 19 May 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You HAVE to eat food with them. It's that simple. Korean adults are seemingly unable to interact with anyone - especially Westerners - without eating something with them.
Once you've chowed down - they will loosen up. I bring hot and spicy Thai squid snacks to my first adult/teachers classes. They love it.

Also, try the 'perfect gentlemen' approach. Open the door for them, shake everyone's hand at the end of the lesson. That really shakes them up for starters, (especially the women) but they will warm to you quicker with some body contact.
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Doogie



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rainbowtrout wrote:
You HAVE to eat food with them. It's that simple. Korean adults are seemingly unable to interact with anyone - especially Westerners - without eating something with them.
Once you've chowed down - they will loosen up. I bring hot and spicy Thai squid snacks to my first adult/teachers classes. They love it.

Also, try the 'perfect gentlemen' approach. Open the door for them, shake everyone's hand at the end of the lesson. That really shakes them up for starters, (especially the women) but they will warm to you quicker with some body contact.

I think you're totally right, RBT. I've been in Korea for about a year and a half. In that time, I've definitely seen that they're most comfortable talking while eating. The dining table (home, school or restaurant) is the place where they seem to let their guard down. I'll bring something yummy to the next class. Also, I picked up a book today on common English (everyday) dialogues with Korean translations. It's a one hour class but I figured I'd go through a quick hypothetical conversation in English that they can read along in Korean. It might relax them a bit starting out. It still blows me away how afraid they are of the opinion of their peers in this culture. I feel like looking at them and saying,"People, sometimes you've got to say what the f**k".
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ajuma



Joined: 18 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they're young-ish, you might want to try some songs. Even if they won't talk, they MIGHT sing...and that might break the ice.

http://www.musicalenglishlessons.org/music-index.htm has some good songs with activities.

I do agree thought that getting them OUT of the classroom and having some beer/soju and anju is the best way!! Tell them "After 3 beers, EVERYONE can speak English!!" Laughing
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sock



Joined: 07 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I REALLY don't like teaching adults because they just sit there and don't say much. One thing that's worked well for me in the past is telling a few childhood stories. I was quite mischevious as a kid and I have a lot of material to work with. After I tell a few funny/embarrassing/etc. stories, usually everyone will be able to think of a few childhood adventures as well. Otherwise I ask them to tell me of a memorable birthday/holiday/etc. from their childhood. It's a lot of fun and is a good icebreaker for the group.

Another thing that's worked for me is to make a list of what's most important to them, what they spend the most time and emotion and energy on. Usually get a list that looks something like this: family, education, love, kids, money, friendship, hobbies, etc. Then each class we'll pick one topic from the list and everyone must discuss. If you structure it right, they'll essentially come up with the topics they're most interested in AND they'll take a lot of the hard work out of class preparation.

If they're being really obstinate, talk about what their goal is for the class (ie, why the hell are they there if they're not talking) and make sure they understand that they're not going to accomplish anything by keeping their mouths shut.
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ilovebdt



Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Teaching English to Painfully Shy K-Teachers...I'm Dyin Reply with quote

Doogie wrote:
Any ideas about how I can get them to open up a bit? Any possible websites that I can use for everyday English (conversational)? Heck, I'll take any ideas that will get them to open up a bit and get over themselves.


Do you have a mix of senior and less senior teachers in your group?

I had a similar problem when my school thought it would be fine to put Grade 1s and 2s in the same speaking class. The first graders were too intimidated by the 2nd graders to speak and the 2nd graders were bored because they were at a different level.
Once, I moved the 2nd graders to a separate class everyone was happy.

Could this be it?

ilovebdt
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rothkowitz



Joined: 27 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get them drunk.

It's a standard workshop feature.
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JeJuJitsu



Joined: 11 Sep 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Put them on the spot, make them speak English in front of their co-teachers alot. They will stop coming after a few lessons. You just freed up an hour of your time.
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Doogie



Joined: 19 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JeJuJitsu wrote:
Put them on the spot, make them speak English in front of their co-teachers alot. They will stop coming after a few lessons. You just freed up an hour of your time.

It's sad to say JJJ, but you may be right. I'll give it the old college try for the next few weeks, but they have to want to be there. If not, they will find a way to get out of it. It's too bad as I was actually looking forward to a bit of a challenge. Anyway, you can bring a horse to water.............
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