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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:11 am    Post subject: Milton Friedman is dead Reply with quote

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SAN FRANCISCO � Milton Friedman, the Nobel Prize-winning economist who advocated an unfettered free market and had the ear of three U.S. presidents, died Thursday at age 94.

Friedman died in San Francisco, said Robert Fanger, a spokesman for the Milton and Rose D. Friedman Foundation in Indianapolis. He did not know the cause of death.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,230004,00.html
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A truly great man. He should have been President.
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Nambucaveman



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read somewhere this morning that Greenspan got quiet a bit of his influence from Friedman. While I never knew that much about him, he will be missed.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A brilliant mind, Milton Friedman was, to the end. He wrote work that was controversial at the time and saying that inflation was not caused by unions or workers, per se, speaking to the people who thought a freeze to wages was a solution to problems, but it had to do with the supply of money. Of course, those who are against government spending might point to Friedman to justify themselves, but we also know that spending also stimulates the economy. There is the notion that full employment will create inflation and the Central Bank of Canada and Federal Reserve long abandoned the idea of the full employment.
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Slep



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got his start supporting Pinochet in Chile and advising him on economics.
Great guy...sure Rolling Eyes
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slep wrote:
Got his start supporting Pinochet in Chile and advising him on economics.
Great guy...sure Rolling Eyes


Maybe you should read up a tad on that whole situation before you start flapping your ignorant mouth off about a great man.
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happeningthang



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BJWD wrote:
Slep wrote:
Got his start supporting Pinochet in Chile and advising him on economics.
Great guy...sure Rolling Eyes


Maybe you should read up a tad on that whole situation before you start flapping your ignorant mouth off about a great man.


Sounds like he has.
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VanIslander



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wasn't he the guy who spoke out against Bush and his party's policies not long ago?
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cwemory



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a commentator on NPR noted, he was an absolutist regarding his libertarian views, so he was simultaneously embraced and rejecyed by both sides of the political spectrum. While many conservatives use many of his economic writings to justify their views on the economy, they are almost certainly abhor his views on legalising prostitution. While liberals applaud his opinions on the decriminalization of drugs, they are disgusted by his support of laissez-faire capitalism. He was criticised by communists for the lectures he gave in Chile in the mid 70s and he was criticised by anticommunist for giving the same lectures in China in the mid 90s. Like many "brilliant minds", he was both admired and despised in equal measure.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I frankly am a Keynsian. I am on the side of demand side economics, but only to a point. Friedman added to Keynsian ideas, in a certain sense, by saying that we should monitor carefully how the government circulates money, and if it does too much of it, it will spark inflation, and there has to be more monetary control.

However, if you go to heavy against inflation, there are certain societal consequences. I do not believe in neo-liberalism and supply side economics and being extremely close to laissez-faire economics because of the nefarious side of leaving too many people in a society vulnerable or excessively vulnerable which has happened in Chile under Pinochet, though Chile's GDP did grow. What you can gain from Friedman definitely is there needs to be a restraint on inflation, one cannot really use monetary tools for the purpose of creating full employment. We do have a problem, though, with the fiscal side, not the monetary policy.
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Slep



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BJWD wrote:
Slep wrote:
Got his start supporting Pinochet in Chile and advising him on economics.
Great guy...sure Rolling Eyes


Maybe you should read up a tad on that whole situation before you start flapping your ignorant mouth off about a great man.

Really, i've read a fair bit about it.
Friedman's policies were first tested in Pinochet's Chile. That is a fact. Pinochet provided an environment that had no barriers to trade.
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sundubuman



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, Chile is far and away the greatest economic success in South America.....too bad that socialism took such a toll on the rest of the continent....

Socialism...when intellectuals sit at their desks telling everyone what they should do.....and the rest suffer interminably.........yet have the pleasure to pay their intellectual overlords in exhorbitant taxes.......
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slep wrote:
BJWD wrote:
Slep wrote:
Got his start supporting Pinochet in Chile and advising him on economics.
Great guy...sure Rolling Eyes


Maybe you should read up a tad on that whole situation before you start flapping your ignorant mouth off about a great man.

Really, i've read a fair bit about it.
Friedman's policies were first tested in Pinochet's Chile. That is a fact. Pinochet provided an environment that had no barriers to trade.


No, you haven't. You have just absorbed the rhetoric of the idiotic whackademics who hated him for his success.

Though, it is telling, isn't it. Lefty academics are responsible for PolPot, Mao, Stalin and the idiocy that passes for public opinion/policy in Latin America. Every bad and bloody idea of the last 100 years came exclusively from the academic left. And yes, Hitler too (right wing my arse....National Socialism...economically no different than what is prescribed for LA on a daily basis by "sociologists" and their ilk). But the only academic who succeeded in bringing a real economy and poverty reduction (and hence the backbone to the modern Chilean democracy) is Friedman. And yet they throw stones at him and ignore their own mess. They hate him because he exposes their own failures.



Slep, you are ignorant on this topic. Full stop. He has written extensively about his time working for the Chilean government. Maybe you should read up on what he has to say.
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Slep



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sundubuman wrote:
well, Chile is far and away the greatest economic success in South America.....too bad that socialism took such a toll on the rest of the continent....

Socialism...when intellectuals sit at their desks telling everyone what they should do.....and the rest suffer interminably.........yet have the pleasure to pay their intellectual overlords in exhorbitant taxes.......

I was under the impression that Brazil's economy has been doing better, could be wrong though.
Pinochet was also the greatest destroyer of human life the America's have seen since the first colonialists.
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