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maddog
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
Location: Daegu
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 Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:20 pm Post subject: Double standards, nuclear non-proliferation |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6155842.stm
Perhaps this will be locked as it's political, but I think it should be addressed. I think it's outrageous TBH. |
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maddog
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Discuss please!! How is it that a country which has more than double the amount of nuclear weapons of all other countries on Earth chooses to tell some counties that they cannot develop nuclear technology, but shares nuclear technology with other countries? |
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poet13
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| I'n definitely NOT pro-american, but what the US is trying to regulate is HOW the nuclear technology is used. You can make cheap energy, or you can make bombs. One is good, the other is bad. |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| maddog wrote: |
| Discuss please!! How is it that a country which has more than double the amount of nuclear weapons of all other countries on Earth chooses to tell some counties that they cannot develop nuclear technology, but shares nuclear technology with other countries? |
The US has demonstrated, as a free country that act rationally and responsibly with their nuclear weapons. That's why it's okay for them to have them, and its okay for them to share that technology with other countries who act similarly.
Irresponsible countries shoudn't be allowed to have them; when Iran, for example, spouts rhetoric about how it wants to blow Israel off the map, they clearly can't be trusted with nuclear weapons.
It's no different in principle than allowing a law-abiding, responsible citizen of a country own a gun, and preventing a murderer (which is what the Iranian government amounts to) from having one. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry cdninkorea, I have to disagree. How has the US "demonstrated, as a free country that act rationally and responsibly with their nuclear weapons"? As far as my memory serves, the US is the ONLY nation to have used them as a weapon. I have found the US administration(s) and media to use "the bomb" or "mushroom cloud" as a threat in the past, while other nuclear equiped nations have not.
Personally, I would like it if NO nation had a nuclear arsenal... but hey, we both know that isn't going to happen any time soon. |
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maddog
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
the US is the ONLY nation to have used them [nukes] as a weapon.
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Exactly my point. And I'll say it again. The US has more than double the amount of nuclear warheads than the rest of the world put together. I'm far from anti-American, but US foreign policy sucks. The UK and EU aint much better btw. |
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mateomiguel
Joined: 16 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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This is really easy to answer.
It is this way because the US makes the rules, and out of all its priorities, "fairness" is probably not even on the list.
International politics does not, never has, and never will have anything to do with "fairness." That is the domain of your mother!
While the US government doesn't give two flying fracks about international fairness, it does care about making the world a safer place for the American people. A world in which only trusted US allies have access to nuclear weapons is a safer world for US citizens than one where every nation has nuclear weapons, and so the US state department works to achieve that goal.
That's it. Its very simple. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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The US should start cutting it's arsenal, not a lot all at once, but atleast provide a good example for the rest of the world. Not only is it the only country to use nuclear weapons on people, but it was the first to pull out of that treaty, and decide it would consider a new program to create mini-nukes to use in conventional warfare.
Still, does anyone want North Korea or Iran to have nukes, and America not have any? North Korea and Iran shoudln't have any, they are crazy. |
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kotakji
Joined: 23 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| The US should start cutting it's arsenal, not a lot all at once, but atleast provide a good example for the rest of the world. |
As someone who worked with the US DoE on occasion I can say the US is cutting its arsenal in the sense that when the majority of the weapons reach their "expiration" date, they are not being reconstituted. Despite the current administrations attempts to research mini-nukes, the actual regulatory agency has been steadily moving towards a much more simplified and smaller arsenal. Since the US is no longer producing weapons grade material, older weapons are being cannibalized to reconstitute the more modern systems.
As for aiding India, take in mind that not all nuclear technologies are alike. In this case, were talking about Light Water Reactor technology which doesn't produce weapons grade material by its basic nature. This is the same type of Reactor that was being built in North Korea as a result of the 1994 accords. |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
Sorry cdninkorea, I have to disagree. How has the US "demonstrated, as a free country that act rationally and responsibly with their nuclear weapons"? As far as my memory serves, the US is the ONLY nation to have used them as a weapon. I have found the US administration(s) and media to use "the bomb" or "mushroom cloud" as a threat in the past, while other nuclear equiped nations have not.
Personally, I would like it if NO nation had a nuclear arsenal... but hey, we both know that isn't going to happen any time soon. |
I'd love it if no country had nuclear weapons too. I'd also like it if there didn't need to be any police officers, jails or criminal courts.
But so long as people and countries are at risk of being attacked, they need to have the ability to defend themselves. That's why if someone tries to kill me, I have the right to kill them before they have the chance. And that's also why if one country attack another country, they have the right to do whatever is necessary to stop them.
There is, of course, a such thing as proportional use of force, but the US using a nuclear bomb on Japan was an example of that: it was a militaristic country who would have stopped at nothing save its entire annhilation to with that war. The US, by dropping those bombs, showed that it was able and willing to do whatever is necessary to win, making the Japanese realize they couldn't win and that they had only two choices: surrender or die.
The Americans probably could have won the war anyway, but what cost to American lives? Just as I have the right to do whatever is necessary to prevent somone from harming me, so does a country have a right to protect it citizens. The fact that millions of Japanese civilians died is not the moral responsibility of the US, but rather that of the Japanese military, government, and especially that of the late emperor. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:16 am Post subject: |
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| cdninkorea wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
Sorry cdninkorea, I have to disagree. How has the US "demonstrated, as a free country that act rationally and responsibly with their nuclear weapons"? As far as my memory serves, the US is the ONLY nation to have used them as a weapon. I have found the US administration(s) and media to use "the bomb" or "mushroom cloud" as a threat in the past, while other nuclear equiped nations have not.
Personally, I would like it if NO nation had a nuclear arsenal... but hey, we both know that isn't going to happen any time soon. |
I'd love it if no country had nuclear weapons too. I'd also like it if there didn't need to be any police officers, jails or criminal courts.
But so long as people and countries are at risk of being attacked, they need to have the ability to defend themselves. That's why if someone tries to kill me, I have the right to kill them before they have the chance. And that's also why if one country attack another country, they have the right to do whatever is necessary to stop them.
There is, of course, a such thing as proportional use of force, but the US using a nuclear bomb on Japan was an example of that: it was a militaristic country who would have stopped at nothing save its entire annhilation to with that war. The US, by dropping those bombs, showed that it was able and willing to do whatever is necessary to win, making the Japanese realize they couldn't win and that they had only two choices: surrender or die.
The Americans probably could have won the war anyway, but what cost to American lives? Just as I have the right to do whatever is necessary to prevent somone from harming me, so does a country have a right to protect it citizens. The fact that millions of Japanese civilians died is not the moral responsibility of the US, but rather that of the Japanese military, government, and especially that of the late emperor. |
So, why are India and Pakistan allowed to have them? And, since when has Israel acted responsible? Did you watch the news in August when they bombed Lebanon into the stone age? All three have the bomb. |
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