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laogaiguk
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 Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:19 pm Post subject: Canada detains alleged Russian spy, reports say |
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Canada detains alleged Russian spy, reports say
POSTED: 1521 GMT (2321 HKT), November 16, 2006
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OTTAWA, Canada (Reuters) -- Canada said Thursday it had arrested a foreign man as a threat to national security. Local media identified him as an alleged Russian spy.
The man was detained at Montreal airport Tuesday after two federal Cabinet ministers signed a national security certificate deeming him to be a danger. Ottawa rarely issues such certificates, which are used to deal with major threats.
"The government's most important duty is to ensure the security of all Canadians. A security certificate has been issued ... against a foreign national. He is now in custody in Montreal," said Melissa Leclerc, a spokeswoman for Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day.
The National Post newspaper quoted the certificate as saying the man -- living in Canada under a false name -- had been "engaging in an act of espionage" and was a member of an organization devoted to spying.
The Post quoted officials as saying the case had all the hallmarks of an operation by Russia's SVR foreign intelligence agency. The Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) said he had been using the false name Paul William Hampel.
The case now passes to Canada's federal court, which has a week to review the evidence the government used as justification for issuing the security certificate.
In 1996, Canada expelled two Russians who it said were undercover agents for the SVR. They had taken the identity of Canadians who died as infants.
CSIS has complained for years that foreign governments are mounting increasingly sophisticated spying operations in Canada, many of them in a bid to gain industrial secrets.
Earlier this year, Canadian Foreign Minister Peter MacKay protested about what he said was industrial espionage by China. Beijing angrily rejected the allegation.
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Canada detains alleged Russian spy, reports say |
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freethought
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I saw the story as well. The most famous case of a Russian Spy was about 60 years ago and with Gouzenko. Back then it sort of mattered what Canada was doing and we had all kinds of valuable info.
The question is, why the hell are Russians spying on us now??? |
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ajgeddes
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| I heard he was sneaking into the Junior Team training camp. |
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dulouz
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| We have Chinese agents in the US that harrass dissidents |
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| freethought wrote: |
The question is, why the hell are Russians spying on us now??? |
Everyone still spies on everyone else- to think that ended with the cold war is na�ve. There are still secrets which are kept which could be harmful to Canada's interests if they were uncovered by the wrong people. Canada's negotiation strategy on upcoming UN debates regarding international moratoriums which will economically affect other countries (like Russia, for one) would be a good example... |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:49 am Post subject: |
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| Everyone still spies on everyone else- to think that ended with the cold war is na�ve. |
This is true. Everyone spies on everyone all the time. Everyone tries to limit the damage, but it goes on all the time.
Think of spies this way: The evil Ruskies have sent over Svetlana and she is banging the Minister of Whatever. We know about it. We can feed her useless information and 'control' her. OR, we can bust her and lock her up or send her home. In either case, the Ruskies will send over Anastasia and we'll have to go to all the work of figuring out who and where she is.
However,...
When a government outs a spy, there is always a 'cause'. The cause is almost always a political point to be made. If the spy who was busted was at all big, you can expect Russia to retaliate by sending home a couple of Canadian spies.
The question really is: What does Canada's government expect to gain by this? Is there a trade deal under negotiation? Is this just Canada's method of trying to get back in the good graces of the Big Satan? Did Putin dis your hockey team? [/quote] |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| freethought wrote: |
I saw the story as well. The most famous case of a Russian Spy was about 60 years ago and with Gouzenko. Back then it sort of mattered what Canada was doing and we had all kinds of valuable info.
The question is, why the hell are Russians spying on us now??? |
Not many people realize it, but the Gouzenko affair kicked off the cold war. The material Gouzenko provided led directly to the arrest of the Rosenbergs. |
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cbclark4
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:35 am Post subject: |
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The French have the most widespread and sophisticated espionage network period.
cbc |
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Green Tea
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Bulsajo wrote: |
Everyone still spies on everyone else- to think that ended with the cold war is na�ve. |
That's not quite true. Only a few countries still have clandestine spy agencies that send spies overseas and have them create legends. That is true espionage.
USA (CIA)
Russia (SVR)
UK (MI6)
Israel (Mossad and Shin Bet)
Pakistan (ISI)
Australia (ASIS)
France (DGSE)
Germany (BND) |
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Whatever, I'm not about to get drawn into a debate about what "true espionage" is. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:38 am Post subject: |
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Whatever, I'm not about to get drawn into a debate about what "true espionage" is.
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Well, I'm curious about what Green Tea means in stating that genuine espionage has to involve "creating legends". |
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Green Tea
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| Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:05 am Post subject: |
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Well, I'm curious about what Green Tea means in stating that genuine espionage has to involve "creating legends". |
Any monkey with a computer can hack and spy. Any flunky diplomat can ask loaded questions and follow the political scene in his host country. Real spies are the ones who take on a new identity and fool their marks into giving up the goods. That takes skill and balls. |
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Green Tea
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| Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| Oh, and by the way a legend = false identity in intelligence lingo. |
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