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Working in Japan verus working in Korea

 
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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:29 am    Post subject: Working in Japan verus working in Korea Reply with quote

I want to get feedback from people who have worked in both Korea and Japan, and let me know the pros and cons of both places.

Here are some questions I would like to ask:

1)Korea has a lower standard of living than Japan, so you can save more.
Is this true or false?

2)Japanese are generally friendlier to foreigners? Is that true?


3)I am generally a fan of sushi, haven't quite connected with Korean food. How do foreigners generally feel about Japanese food.

4)Any general, notable differences between Korean and Japanese women.

5)What are the money making opportunities. Here, you tend to make money if you get privates. I don't have privates, so I don't make much money.

6)How is nature in Japan?

7)Is it easier to pick up Japanese rather than Korean? I found the sounds easier on my ear. I am referring to Japanese. I did hear, though, reading it is is hard.

These are many questions, but I didn't go to Japan, because I assumed I can't save much money since you have to pay rent there, and the cost of living is higher.
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TECO



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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1)Korea has a lower standard of living than Japan, so you can save more. Is this true or false?


Not sure what to say about that. I earned more and saved more working in Tokyo.

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2)Japanese are generally friendlier to foreigners? Is that true?

Not necessarily true. Japanese can also be quite xenophobic and inward looking people.


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3)I am generally a fan of sushi, haven't quite connected with Korean food. How do foreigners generally feel about Japanese food.

Ramen (China), Yakiniku (Korea) and Yakitori were my favourite dishes in Japan. Korean food is pretty good. A lot of Japanese flavours are miso or shoyuu based.

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4)Any general, notable differences between Korean and Japanese women.

Japanese are more fashionable. Koreans and other Asians follow fashions that come out of Tokyo. Japanese women can have very crooked teeth I found and short, stubby legs. Korean girls have pretty faces. Japanese girls are more sexually experienced.

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5)What are the money making opportunities. Here, you tend to make money if you get privates. I don't have privates, so I don't make much money.

Priavates are a pain in the a ss in whichever country your TEFL'ing. I don't do them myslef. Lots of part time EFL positions in Tokyo. You could teach the rest of your EFL career in Tokyo no problem. Lots of jobs.

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6)How is nature in Japan?

Okay.Hiking and onsen to be found in a lot of places easily accessible by train.

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7)Is it easier to pick up Japanese rather than Korean? I found the sounds easier on my ear. I am referring to Japanese. I did hear, though, reading it is is hard.

Pretty much the same situation in each country I found.

Do a search. I think this topic has been discussed about 500 times since I've started reading these forums. I'm sure you'd be happier in Japan though. A much more interesting place from my point of view.
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Satori



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not sure what to say about that. I earned more and saved more working in Tokyo.

Then you can't have been on the standard deal, surely. The standard entry level deal in Japan is 250, 000yen or roughly 2.5mil won. But basics cost more in Japan and there is no housing allowance which is the killer. You pay 50,000 for very very basic level housing, which you have to organise yourself.

Im here in Japan, two years, and feel Korea is probably better for saving money, even though you earn more up front here in Japan.
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huffdaddy



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Satori wrote:

Then you can't have been on the standard deal, surely. The standard entry level deal in Japan is 250, 000yen or roughly 2.5mil won.


FWIW, 250,000 yen is just about 2.0 million won. It's .125 won/yen right now.
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TECO



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Satori wrote:
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Not sure what to say about that. I earned more and saved more working in Tokyo.

Then you can't have been on the standard deal, surely. The standard entry level deal in Japan is 250, 000yen or roughly 2.5mil won. But basics cost more in Japan and there is no housing allowance which is the killer. You pay 50,000 for very very basic level housing, which you have to organise yourself.

Im here in Japan, two years, and feel Korea is probably better for saving money, even though you earn more up front here in Japan.



I was working for Berlitz in Korea for about 2 million won per month - long days which started at 6:45am and up at 5:30am to get to school. I had s hithole housing and paid airfare.

Working in Japan at Berlitz as a per-lesson teacher I made over 2 million won per month (Y200,000 in Japan). I also had good housing near Shinjuku for about Y40,000 a month with my girlfriend. I didn't get paid airfare.

Not only was I a per-lesson teacher at Berlitz, but I was also an Assistant Language Teacher (ALT) for the Tokyo Metropolitan School Board for Y6,500 per hour at 2 high schools. This was all morning work. I had lucrative corporate classes in the evening (Y5,000 - Y6,000 / hour) and Berlitz in the afternoons and .

By the time I started thinking about leaving Japan to head to Taiwan I was earning over Y600,000 per month with all the per-lesson classes at Berlitz, corporates and Tokyo High School classes.

Tokyo, in my opinon, is absolutely the best TEFL'ing location in terms of earnings potential, lifestyle choices, meeting girls, having fun, drinking and tons of jobs to choose from.

I've taught in Korea, Taiwan, Japan, and Thailand and I've been teaching EFL in Asia for 8 years now. I'd go back to Tokyo to live and teach.

I also liked Seoul though - just not my job and my boss! In fact, I would even consider going back again under the right circumstances. But Tokyo has been one of the best experiences I've had for money and fun lifestyle during my TEFL experience.

I live in Taipei now. It's such a dead city compared to Tokyo or Seoul. Boring as hell. And life and politics and the people can be quite chaotic. Chinese is harder to learn than Japanese. But I have a pretty good job and I'm close to Thailand and the Phils, which kind of makes up for it.
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Satori



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But see you were obviously hustleing and doing the do, with all that extra private work. Im saying that if you just compare a normal entry level hagwon job to a normal entry level juku job, Korea wins out just in terms of potential to save money. Don't you think?

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braunshade



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, in Japan you have more OPTIONS and CHOICES.

Here in Korea, you are RESTRICTED and LIMITED.

I am referring to earning potential and having a second part time job or a bunch of privates. There is more FREEDOM in Japan for foreigners.

You can save more in Japan if you take advantage of you OPTIONS.
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Porter_Goss



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Satori wrote:
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Not sure what to say about that. I earned more and saved more working in Tokyo.

Then you can't have been on the standard deal, surely. The standard entry level deal in Japan is 250, 000yen or roughly 2.5mil won. But basics cost more in Japan and there is no housing allowance which is the killer. You pay 50,000 for very very basic level housing, which you have to organise yourself.

Im here in Japan, two years, and feel Korea is probably better for saving money, even though you earn more up front here in Japan.


No doubt. Recently I was in Japan (Tokyo before taking the shin to Osaka) for a week. I met more than a few teachers and found that they all made less than me, had to pay for their own housing (with the exception of a chick who was shacking-up with a Navy pilot), and had to contend with the constant temptation of Tokyo nightlife.

In Korea, I always send 1.2 W home and usually still have 300,000 - 400,000 W in the bank next payday. I'm no cheap b@stard either... I probably go out four times a week. From what I've spent on this and previous trips to Tokyo, I can't imagine being able to have the same lifestyle there.

I have found Japanese women to be much more approachable. It's like all the J chicks you pass on the street are as friendly as the K chicks you meet in clubs. Does that make sense?
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twg



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Working in Japan verus working in Korea Reply with quote

Disclaimer: I've never worked in Japan, but I have spent a good amount of time(and sadly, savings) hanging out with friends there, so let me toss in a few cents.

Adventurer wrote:
1)Korea has a lower standard of living than Japan, so you can save more.
Is this true or false?

You know, I remember a few years ago, Gord(in Korea) and Matko(in Japan) would have these huge pissing contests about who was saving more.

But based upon what pals have told me, they don't put nearly as much into the bank as I do on a monthly basis. Then again, they don't waste their money as badly as I do either. So I guess lifestyle has a lot to do with it.

That having been said, I didn't see any huge difference in costs outside of transportation. Taxis here in Korea are a penny-pinching dream compared to the ones in Japan. CDs in Japan are outrageous. Food seemed on par. What's crap is that you're always stuck with these 500 yen coins you can't exchange when you leave.

500 yen is like a whole frigging meal!

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2)Japanese are generally friendlier to foreigners? Is that true?

As far as Japanese who are not into the whole foreigner thing, I found;

- They're more likely to ignore you than hit you up for some English practice. Making for a more pleasant bus/ subway ride

- Can be approached if you need help without getting waved off like here in Korea.

- The kids don't scream "Oh! AMERICAN!" when they see you.

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3)I am generally a fan of sushi, haven't quite connected with Korean food. How do foreigners generally feel about Japanese food.

Personally, aside from sushi, I found Japanese food to either be as bland as cardboard or overly fishy.

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4)Any general, notable differences between Korean and Japanese women.

Here's a global truth: If you are fat and/ or ugly, you will have to work for nookie much harder than any good-looking fellow. A player will always get play.

Dawg.

heh

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6)How is nature in Japan?

I thought the bamboo forests in Kyushu were glorious. I also love the rugged mountains of Korea.

But I did find the air far cleaner than any part of Korea, including the countryside.

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7)Is it easier to pick up Japanese rather than Korean? I found the sounds easier on my ear. I am referring to Japanese. I did hear, though, reading it is is hard.

I had to take Japanese and Chinese language courses as part of my major. Japanese IS a hella more easy to speak than either Korean or Chinese. But there's an ass-load of kanji memorization you need to do if you want to be able to read anything. And unlike Korea, I found English on signs to be rare and/ or small and easily missed.

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These are many questions, but I didn't go to Japan, because I assumed I can't save much money since you have to pay rent there, and the cost of living is higher.

Let me tell you something that I've been slowing coming to learn as I get older:

If you can learn to embrace the good things of living in a foreign culture, and let the crap roll off your back, you'll be happy.
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laogaiguk



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Working in Japan verus working in Korea Reply with quote

[quote="Adventurer"]I want to get feedback from people who have worked in both Korea and Japan, and let me know the pros and cons of both places.


1) True, comparing the same situations.

2) Yes, they are probably one of the friendliest people on the planet (mostly). But you will constantly be asked when you are leaving? Things "can" go downhill if it looks like your setting up a life around there. Neighbours are awesome until you actually buy a house around. Then they become, not mean, but less friendly. Many parents won't want you marrying their daughters either. Also, most girls will not move back to your country with you. They tend to stay in Japan (though that doesn't bother many because they are "superstars" there and morons back home Wink ).

3) Japanese food is all over the place. I hate seafood, yet ate without a problem. You will find there is actually a massive amount of variety. A lot is somewhat blander than you are probably used to though.

4) Smaller, more petite. I find Korean women can be more beautiful, but many Japanese women are really cute (just my opinion). They are much more "friendly" and not only hold less social stigmas to dating one, it's sort of an ego thing for them too. Marriage is a totally different thing though.

5) You can make more money, but it's harder. To be honest, people who are lucky to find opportunities in either country can make more. Those people don't count. The average hagwon to eikaiwa comparison, you can always save more money in Korea.

6) The nature is good, but far out. Still, transportation is awesome there, though more expensive.

7) Reading is much harder. Kanji have many readings. In some ways it's easier though, especially pronunciation and the almost complete lack of exceptions.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:30 am    Post subject: Re: Working in Japan verus working in Korea Reply with quote

[quote="laogaiguk"]
Adventurer wrote:
I want to get feedback from people who have worked in both Korea and Japan, and let me know the pros and cons of both places.


1) True, comparing the same situations.

2) Yes, they are probably one of the friendliest people on the planet (mostly). But you will constantly be asked when you are leaving? Things "can" go downhill if it looks like your setting up a life around there. Neighbours are awesome until you actually buy a house around. Then they become, not mean, but less friendly. Many parents won't want you marrying their daughters either. Also, most girls will not move back to your country with you. They tend to stay in Japan (though that doesn't bother many because they are "superstars" there and morons back home Wink ).

3) Japanese food is all over the place. I hate seafood, yet ate without a problem. You will find there is actually a massive amount of variety. A lot is somewhat blander than you are probably used to though.

4) Smaller, more petite. I find Korean women can be more beautiful, but many Japanese women are really cute (just my opinion). They are much more "friendly" and not only hold less social stigmas to dating one, it's sort of an ego thing for them too. Marriage is a totally different thing though.

5) You can make more money, but it's harder. To be honest, people who are lucky to find opportunities in either country can make more. Those people don't count. The average hagwon to eikaiwa comparison, you can always save more money in Korea.

6) The nature is good, but far out. Still, transportation is awesome there, though more expensive.

7) Reading is much harder. Kanji have many readings. In some ways it's easier though, especially pronunciation and the almost complete lack of exceptions.



So it is harder to make more money in Japan? I generally feel more of an affinity towards the Japanese, though I do like Koreans. I suppose because when I was a kid I had some Japanese friends. And I've always enjoyed learning about the nicer aspects of their history. And I had a friend who dated a Japanese girl and thought the world of her. Of course, there are nice Korean girls, too. But I keep hearing about stories of Koreans, in some cases, not liking foreigners. I don't hear about that when it comes to the Japanese and Westerners. But making decent money is an important factor in my decision to live in Japan or Korea. I think if there was more to be made in Japan, I would have gone there instead. I like some seafood. I like fish, seaweed, salmon, and tuna. I don't mind the seaweed soup either. I haven't been crazy about the Korean food. It is way too spicy without that balance of Indian food which has a certain balance to its spices. I like galbi, but you can't eat that every day.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dude, just go and find out. throw yourself out there and try Japan out. what's the worst that could happen? Nothing added to your savings, you're sick of fish, and you have a bad memory or two of really bad teeth. There are certainly worse things out there.
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Satori



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Japanese dont necessarily like foreigners that much either, they just hide it better...
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