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Novernae
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
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Thanks, I'll give it a watch. I agree with you that there are channels in New Brunswick that don't exist elsewhere, but I do believe that often those channels are closed to those who need it most. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:49 am Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
Except it won't stand up to a challenge, the court will force the province to pay for abortions.
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Except if the province really wanted to, it would just use the notwithstanding clause and the court would have to shut it. |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| Michael Moore, who is American but represents Canada and Canadian values in so many ways, |
Michael Moore has nothing to do with Canada. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:07 am Post subject: |
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Yes the province could use the notwithstanding clause, but i suspect that they would not. I have no poll numbers but i would say just from knowing Brunswicker's and living in NS for a time, that if there isn't a majority supporting abortions then its close like 45-55, so no gov't has the stones to go against close numbers like that.
And the fed's can force them using the Canada Health Act, NB can choose to ignore them but then the fed's can pull health transfer payments and believe me if any province needs transfer payments, it's New Brunswick. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
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| Michael Moore, who is American but represents Canada and Canadian values in so many ways, |
Michael Moore has nothing to do with Canada. |
Cough, Cough...
You have, apparently, never seen Bowling for Columbine.
He praises the graces of Canada in that film, and makes a public statement abouot how much better Canada is because they don't have to lock their doors (which was subsequently shown to be untrue in another documentary).
Whether you like it or not, Michael Moore represents Canada to a lot of people, especially since so many Canadians are so fond of citing Moore documentaries as fact rather than opinion.
That is, unless you'd rather have Celine do it. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:18 am Post subject: |
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| Pligganease wrote: |
| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
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| Michael Moore, who is American but represents Canada and Canadian values in so many ways, |
Michael Moore has nothing to do with Canada. |
Cough, Cough...
You have, apparently, never seen Bowling for Columbine.
He praises the graces of Canada in that film, and makes a public statement abouot how much better Canada is because they don't have to lock their doors (which was subsequently shown to be untrue in another documentary).
Whether you like it or not, Michael Moore represents Canada to a lot of people, especially since so many Canadians are so fond of citing Moore documentaries as fact rather than opinion.
That is, unless you'd rather have Celine do it. |
Two points. Admiring certain aspects of Canadian society is not at all the same as "representing" Canada.
His work work is factual. Many have tried, but no one has ever sucessfully sued him for incorrect information in his movies. He has a large team of expert fact checkers working for him. You would too if your stuff was so politically charged. Certain conservatives would have nailed him to the wall by now if they were able. They are not... |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:53 am Post subject: |
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Listen, we'll take New Brunswick if you take the upper penninsula of Michigan.
cbc |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
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Thanks, Satori. Mr. Moore is not Canadian. We didn't create him, you did. He's your problem. Yes, I've seen that film. It's nice to have a fan but he's still American to me.
Canada is not just a segment in a movie, it's a country with vast potential. You should check it out some time. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
\Mr. Moore is not Canadian. We didn't create him, you did. He's your problem. Yes, I've seen that film. It's nice to have a fan but he's still American to me.
Canada is not just a segment in a movie, it's a country with vast potential. You should check it out some time. |
This is not open for debate. Of course he is American. I have made no claims to the contrary. I simply said that, to a lot of people in the United States, he represents Canada and Canadian values because he loves Canada so much and wishes the U.S. could be more like Canada.
| Satori wrote: |
| Two points. Admiring certain aspects of Canadian society is not at all the same as "representing" Canada. |
This may be true 99.9% of the time, but during an election year when someone has just made a horribly condemning movie about the president of the United States, it can be easily spun to make it seem that that someone is representing a foreign entity that they so much admire.
| Satori wrote: |
| His work work is factual. Many have tried, but no one has ever sucessfully sued him for incorrect information in his movies. He has a large team of expert fact checkers working for him. You would too if your stuff was so politically charged. Certain conservatives would have nailed him to the wall by now if they were able. They are not... |
There is a huge difference between something being factually based and being fact. While Moore may present many facts in his documenatries, his use of editing, animation, ambushing, and misleading scene timing surely grants him freedom to spin any fact into his opinion. Moores work is as factual as Bill O'Reilly's.
Just a small example would be the case when, in Bowling for Columbine, Moore is discussing the NRA speech scheduled in that area the same week as the school massacre. He's discussing that speech, while the screen shows Charleton Heston holding a rifle above his head screaming about "my cold, dead hands!" This clearly misleads the viewer into thinking that footage was from the speech in Columbine the week after the school shooting, when in fact it came from the NRA ntional rally almost a year before the attack.
Another example would be the very beginning of that movie, when he goes to the bank, opens his bank account, and walks out with a new gun. He misleads the viewers into thinking that he just walked in, took a gun out of their vault, and walked out. In fact, he had set it up prior to going, and had used his influence and money to ask the bank to break their own rules by keeping a gun in their vault when, normally, the guns were kept at a seperate location and were shipped to the owners. He had also gone through all of the extensive background checks and security screenings that the bank required before being given the weapon, but that was all edited out to make it seem like any idiot off the street could walk in and pick up a new gun.
Moore's work may be based in fact, but it is hardly free from opinion. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Moore's work may be based in fact, but it is hardly free from opinion. |
Sure he's got an opinion, I won't argue that. I don't think he'd have a job if he didn't have a strong opinion. That's a little different that telling lies or stating incorrect facts however. Anne Coulter also has an opinion by the way. The only difference is that she's been caught putting out incorrect information more than once, and while Moore may dissingenuous at times and further to the left than I care for as a moderate liberal, he's not spewing hate like Coulter. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Satori wrote: |
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| Moore's work may be based in fact, but it is hardly free from opinion. |
Sure he's got an opinion, I won't argue that. I don't think he'd have a job if he didn't have a strong opinion. That's a little different that telling lies or stating incorrect facts however. Anne Coulter also has an opinion by the way. The only difference is that she's been caught putting out incorrect information more than once, and while Moore may dissingenuous at times and further to the left than I care for as a moderate liberal, he's not spewing hate like Coulter. |
True. She's just a bumbling idiot with mild entertainment value. |
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