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Public schools vs. hogwan vs. university
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hellofaniceguy



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know; we get 16 weeks paid vacation at our university. I think that's a good deal with 12-15 classes a week. Plus the usual holidays. Hokwons are not the way to go. Too many screwy owners out to screw you over and you'll have no recourse. With the government positions, pay is not a problem nor is severence, air fare, etc. But, large classes. A lot of the elementary schools in korea are not government/public schools but are owned by someone are are sanctioned by the governmrnt.
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katydid



Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's something I find interesting. I'm not sure about all unis, having only worked at one, but in my classes, the size of the class ranged from 27 to 40 students per class. Of course, after midterms, and throughout the year, yes the attendance would drop a bit, but the uni classes I taught were the same size as the public school classes, so I don't think that should be taken into consideration.
I actually have another job offer lined up, this one is at a middle school in Cheonan (keep getting job offers from there! Maybe it's fate.... Wink ) and as it is NOT a hagwan, and therefore I KNOW I will be paid on time and working with a set curriculum I think it could be a good job.
Anyone wanting to discuss the pros and cons of working at a public school, or tell me about their day-to-day life at one, please PM me. I especially have one question about this contract: how does one work from 8:30 to 4:30 every day but only wok 20 hours a week? Hmmm....
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wormholes101



Joined: 11 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

katydid wrote:
I especially have one question about this contract: how does one work from 8:30 to 4:30 every day but only wok 20 hours a week? Hmmm....


The school that I work at has the same clause. Basically, it means that you have 20 classes per week but you're required to be there from 8:30-4:30. Very frustrating.
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katydid



Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you do, in between???
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Yesterday



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Land of the Morning DongChim (Kancho)

PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:53 am    Post subject: Public school the BEST!!! Reply with quote

I have worked at private institutes, Hagwons (there is a difference) and also 4 public schools.

The Public school jobs are the BEST!!!!!!!!

The job has less hassles - you always get paid on the dot - on payday -

classes are more stressless and fun - as usually its up to you to teach how you want -

you really get looked after -

as many sick days as you want - my contract now states "Only after I have been sick 7 days in a row - do I have to produce a medical certificate" and then more sick days is okay -

you get all the holidays - and depending on your contract - still get paid for all of them -

free lunch in the cafeteria -

you start early and finish early -

JOB security - you never get sacked/fired unless you are a complete moran -

Go for it - Public school is definately the best (my opinion)!
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ummmmmm......katydid............what's the name of the school?
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katydid



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a public middle school...if that means anything. I hope your neck's not feeling itchy? Confused
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, my neck's not itchy. I already know that I'm not going to be at my school after March. So, if you're coming to my school, I can give you a heads up about it.
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katydid



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We can talk tomorrow! Very Happy
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellofaniceguy wrote:
I don't know; we get 16 weeks paid vacation at our university. I think that's a good deal with 12-15 classes a week. Plus the usual holidays. Hokwons are not the way to go. Too many screwy owners out to screw you over and you'll have no recourse. .



Labour board, court, Korean friends. All of these can provide recourse. In fact the mere mention of any one of these generally encourages hakwon owners to start coughing up. However you have to sound like you mean it. Too many teachers do not have the balls to demand what's theirs and don't bother to find out. If they did, then this board wouldn't exist..at least not in its present form.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not only that, but at a hakwon you can set your own salary (within reason) IF you are a good teacher and the students like you. Can you do that at a public school? Or a university? In fact MOST (not all) university positions I've seen pay LESS than a hakwon job (but I guess that some people would rather trade time off for money).
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princess



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you start earlier, you finish earlier, though.
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aveguard



Joined: 11 Oct 2006
Location: Dongdaemun Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:00 pm    Post subject: So Confused Reply with quote

I am new to teaching and living overseas and have no clue what would be a good position or not. All of these recruiters keep calling me and I have a difficult time communicating with them. Conversation is very brief and there are long pauses...? Well I just got offered a position in teaching elementary in the largest private institution in Gwang Ju City. I initially wanted to work in Seoul but I suppose this is closer to the water and Japan. Does anyone here know the difference and can give me some advice please Smile Confused
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

katydid wrote:
Here's something I find interesting. I'm not sure about all unis, having only worked at one, but in my classes, the size of the class ranged from 27 to 40 students per class. Of course, after midterms, and throughout the year, yes the attendance would drop a bit, but the uni classes I taught were the same size as the public school classes, so I don't think that should be taken into consideration.
I actually have another job offer lined up, this one is at a middle school in Cheonan (keep getting job offers from there! Maybe it's fate.... Wink ) and as it is NOT a hagwan, and therefore I KNOW I will be paid on time and working with a set curriculum I think it could be a good job.
Anyone wanting to discuss the pros and cons of working at a public school, or tell me about their day-to-day life at one, please PM me. I especially have one question about this contract: how does one work from 8:30 to 4:30 every day but only wok 20 hours a week? Hmmm....


You work 40 hours per week and have 20 or 22 or 25 CONTACT hours /CLASSROOM hours / classes. You get an additional suppliment (20-25k per class) if you teach more than your contracted CONTACT time.
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the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:47 pm    Post subject: Re: So Confused Reply with quote

aveguard wrote:
I am new to teaching and living overseas and have no clue what would be a good position or not. All of these recruiters keep calling me and I have a difficult time communicating with them. Conversation is very brief and there are long pauses...? Well I just got offered a position in teaching elementary in the largest private institution in Gwang Ju City. I initially wanted to work in Seoul but I suppose this is closer to the water and Japan. Does anyone here know the difference and can give me some advice please Smile Confused


Not closer to the water and maybe closer to Japan, but Japan's not exactly far from Seoul.
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