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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

laogaiguk wrote:
I would love to see them try that in Atlantic Canada. The Acadians would start a revolution Wink


It's not a foreign flag...and the ones who'd start a revolution are the members of the Anglo Society.
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Octavius Hite



Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

listen everyone is saying i posted this cause i hate america, its not, its an interesting story on the frontpage of cnn, thats all no subversive political motivations on my part.
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
What does this have to do with a town council banning foreign flags from their town on a split vote?


Indeed. Let us go back to this "journalist's" complaint...

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...stepping over the line with an idiotic, intolerant and insulting ban on foreign (read: Mexican) flags.


He understands why some Pahrumpians reacted as they did...

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Pahrump resident Michael Miraglia proposed the ban because, he said, he got upset when he saw immigrant activists marching through U.S. cities last spring, waving Mexican flags. Mr. Miraglia told USA Today that he was especially miffed that "we had Mexican restaurants closed that day."


Have you seen how these "immigrant activists" in the Southwest get "in your face" with these Mexican flags, by the way? I have. Let's also not forget the Che Guevara anti-U.S. flags that also appear. There is sometimes something there reminiscent of nationalistic revenge for the Mexican-American War.

And yet, he mischaracterizes Miraglia and reduces his complaint to a very unfair straw man...

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So that's what started all this -- the fact that some guy couldn't get his burrito fix.


Then he goes into apples and oranges and suggests he might just even share the usual Catholic antisemitism as well...

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Besides, the spectacle with the Mexican flags was no different than what happened a few weeks later when American Jews marched in Los Angeles and New York, waiving the Israeli flag to show support for Israel in its war against Hezbollah. About that, there were few complaints.


This was local support for a friendly nation-state at war. What he and others are ignoring is that these "immigrant activists" are talking "reconquista" or "por la raza, todo; fuera de la raza, nada" or, my favorite "el pueblo! unido! nunca ha perdido!" in the Southwest, using Mexican flags to punctuate their points...and what this reiterates is this: their ultimate intentions are still not clear at all. Why are they coming on so confrontationally?

Then this "journalist" cries that Americans are out to get Mexican-Americans and illegal immigrants and their restaurants and Octavius comes here with a straight face and talks about "persecution complexes?"

Octavius, I am shocked and appalled.
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Octavius Hite wrote:
It[']s an off the cuff remark...


Actually, I believe I saw a series of "off-the-cuff remarks" on this same level. One poster even made the inevitable comment about how this would never fly in Canada (because, as everyone knows, things are much better in Canada than in the United States, right?).


Are you talking about my comment? I hope not.
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Satori



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Location: Above it all

PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm asking what this story really has to do with anything other than a Hispanic-American writer is outraged that some Pahrumpians have different views than he on trends in U.S. immigration

Completely dissingenuous on a couple of fronts.

Sure it's one outraged writer in a small town. But the actual issue that it's about is a key issue that affects the whole country and that everyone has a strong opinion about. It's not that it happened that is the news. It is just one small example of a very big issue. Im sure many people share the writers outrage, and I'm sure many people share the view taken by the city.

Secondly, it's not just differing views on immigration, that's a completely dishonest way to put it. It's about supressing symbols of identity, and asserting the nationalistic dominance of the white american identity.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Satori wrote:
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I'm asking what this story really has to do with anything other than a Hispanic-American writer is outraged that some Pahrumpians have different views than he on trends in U.S. immigration

Completely dissingenuous on a couple of fronts.

Sure it's one outraged writer in a small town. But the actual issue that it's about is a key issue that affects the whole country and that everyone has a strong opinion about. It's not that it happened that is the news. It is just one small example of a very big issue. Im sure many people share the writers outrage, and I'm sure many people share the view taken by the city.

Secondly, it's not just differing views on immigration, that's a completely dishonest way to put it. It's about supressing symbols of identity, and asserting the nationalistic dominance of the white american identity.


Admittedly, banning other national flags other than the US' is pretty dumb, but also dumb is waving the flag of your mother country with thousands of other immigrants in protests designed to try to gain protections for fellow illegal immigrants.
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Satori



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No argument from me there...
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dulouz



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey ho!
The Mexicans have got to go!
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Pligganease



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...

PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dulouz wrote:
Hey ho!
The Mexicans have got to go!


And the American, no the world's, economy with them! Very Happy
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dulouz



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you are a troll and I over reacted or perhaps you are just sarcastic and I didn't catch on. Regardless, below is a wonderful post. I shant delete it due to a misunderstanding.

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And the American, no the world's, economy with them!


Man, thats so stupid its vulgar. Is that a troll? We had a "Great American Boycott". Nothing happened. Zilch

Arguing with illegal aliens and their supporters...

1) They lie
2) Infantilism Grande
3) They lie again
4) Infantilism Grande Con Choco

You made an assertion, you provided no evidence. You argued poorly. Are you a troll? Am I hyperventilating?

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While the economic effects are not yet clear, some initial reports have indicated that, while the boycott failed to halt "business as usual", commerce slowed significantly in certain areas. According to the Los Angeles County Economic Development Corporation, the boycott cost the Los Angeles economy $52 million, 4.3 percent of the normal $1.2 billion daily activity.


You said the world's economy would collapse. It didn't. LA is majority Latino yet with all of the economic output from Latinos stiffeled it amounted to only 4.3% of economic output. That means the reverse is true. Latinos take up space and produce nothing. You are so sad an individual.

Arguing with your type is infuriating because we have to stop and show you how dumb you sound, then we have to help you fix your arguments and then you just lie again after we are all done.

Why don't you have one of those arguments where you have a countefeit social security card in your pocket and you lecture Americans about what the law says? You su*k. You people really are just awful.
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Pligganease



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...

PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well...

First, it was a sarcastic, but truthful, remark.

Second, you are quite a simple-minded person. Have you never taken an economics class?

Let me spell it out for you.

Farms. It all comes down to farms. America was founded as an agrarian state, and it still continues to be. No farms, no money. Let's presume that tomorrow, every immigrant farmworker in America disappears. What happens?

A) Farm owners are unable to replace their help. The crops they have rot in the field. That is an unisured loss, so they have to take the hit straight out of their own pockets. They can't pay the bills. Banks forclose, and people don't get their food. The price of everyday items goes through the roof, and people can't afford them. Whoops! There goes the supermarkets, trucking companies, phone companies, cable television companies, newspapers, and so on and so on. It's a domino effect on a microeconomic level. Eventually it jumps to the macro level, because all of our economies are interdependent.

B) Farm owners replace their labor force with more expensive, less skillful labor. This costs farmers more than they can bear, because the increas in prices would never compete with cheaper foreign goods. They can't pay the bills. Banks forclose, and people don't get their food. The price of everyday items goes through the roof, and people can't afford them. Whoops! There goes the supermarkets, trucking companies, phone companies, cable television companies, newspapers, and so on and so on. It's a domino effect on a microeconomic level. Eventually it jumps to the macro level, because all of our economies are interdependent.

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Arguing with illegal aliens and their supporters...

1) They lie
2) Infantilism Grande
3) They lie again
4) Infantilism Grande Con Choco


I honestly have no idea what you mean here, and it's not because I'm the idiot.

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You said the world's economy would collapse. It didn't. LA is majority Latino yet with all of the economic output from Latinos stiffeled it amounted to only 4.3% of economic output. That means the reverse is true. Latinos take up space and produce nothing. You are so sad an individual.


Do you really think that every, single Latino immigrant walked out on that day? Do you really think that people who are working those low-paying jobs can afford to take a day off work to protest?

Also, we're talking one day. And, let's say that it was every single Latino worker in LA that walked out, do you, with your Harvard MBA level education, think that LA alone could take a 4+% economic dip right off the bat? What about companies that are implicitly dependent on these workers? You think 4% is all they would suffer?

What about the entire United States?

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Arguing with your type is infuriating because we have to stop and show you how dumb you sound, then we have to help you fix your arguments and then you just lie again after we are all done.


Who is we? Are other people "with you?" I hope not, because with your sharp-as-a-tack debating skills I might have to hang up my keyboard.

But no, you are correct. Should every Latino migrant leave the U.S., we'd be fine. We'd have poorly educated, low-skilled labor like yourself to pick up the slack. I just hope that you learn to speak Chinese and Spanish, because all of the manufacturing jobs would be in China, and all of the agribusiness jobs would be in Latin America.

Why don't you take a few classes at the local community college, where you can gain a little education (and there's no entrance exam) and stop spewing your racist drivel on this board.
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dulouz



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Farms? We are too fat. We need less food
Farms? Old economy, heavily subsidized, tax breaks, water breaks, trade protection, corporate welfare. Sponge!

Yea yea, I heard it before. You don't agree with me, you are stupid.
God you suck. I'm glad Korea keeps the undesireables out.

We don't need any more stinking breaded pork cutlets bought to you by the wonders of illegal immigration.

Boycott? Go ahead. Go right ahead, walk out and keep on walking.
Leave... get the F out. Or were you "born" here by your illegal immigrant mom who was crafty enough to lie, cheat and rip off US taxpayers? Discpicable. Shameless.

You gave me theory, I gave you proof. I won. FU Anglo!

You argue the "I was born here law" yet you flip off all attempts at making you listen to law and you will not abide by law unless it suits you. That is you and life with you sucks. If you have a problem with
that, just try a drive by.
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Pligganease



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...

PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dulouz wrote:
Farms? We are too fat. We need less food
Farms? Old economy, heavily subsidized, tax breaks, water breaks, trade protection, corporate welfare. Sponge!

Yea yea, I heard it before. You don't agree with me, you are stupid.
God you suck. I'm glad Korea keeps the undesireables out.

We don't need any more stinking breaded pork cutlets bought to you by the wonders of illegal immigration.

Boycott? Go ahead. Go right ahead, walk out and keep on walking.
Leave... get the F out. Or were you "born" here by your illegal immigrant mom who was crafty enough to lie, cheat and rip off US taxpayers? Discpicable. Shameless.

You gave me theory, I gave you proof. I won. FU Anglo!

You argue the "I was born here law" yet you flip off all attempts at making you listen to law and you will not abide by law unless it suits you. That is you and life with you sucks. If you have a problem with
that, just try a drive by.


Laughing Laughing Laughing

Touche, you sly devil, you.
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dulouz



Joined: 04 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Touche, you sly devil, you


No your not clever, you're just stupid. Why don't you take an high school economics class. You could start there and likely finish there.

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

Hey I put 4 smileys, you only put up 3. I beat you.

douche
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Pligganease



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doh!

This is what I get for answering a troll. Especially a known troll.

I know. I know...
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