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Homer
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The treatement of the war criminals is a strange decision indeed Jags....
It is sadening how in some countries war criminals are left unpunished or rehabilitated (see Japan for example). |
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Plastic B
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:46 am Post subject: |
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| I thought it had closed, but what the hell do I know, it's been 3 years since I was in Daejeon. I know it was near the old Zoo bar - which has also closed. Damn! |
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Guri Guy
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Location: Bamboo Island
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:31 am Post subject: |
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The treatement of the war criminals is a strange decision indeed Jags....
It is sadening how in some countries war criminals are left unpunished or rehabilitated (see Japan for example).
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It is also sad to see Korean war criminals in Vietnam go unpunished as well.
Also, could you please elaborate on this rehabilitation of war criminals in Japan Homer. I am curious about this. |
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bnrockin
Joined: 27 Feb 2006
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| Don't mean to compare this to Hitler by any means, but are there any Soviet themed bars or restaurants in Seoul? I just found my first one last weekend in the states. It was an interesting experiance, but I must say I felt a little out of place there. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:56 am Post subject: |
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Well...Guri...they have been in the same cemetary or memorial area as the other WWII soldiers. They have been honored along with the other soldiers every year (visit to the shrine). The history books are also slowly erasing the war crimes themselves. So, rehabilitation might not be the correct term, my mistake there.
As for the Korean war criminals in Vietnam...this is a grave that once dug up will uncover a lot of bodies, and they will not be all Korean sadly. |
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Guri Guy
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
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Homer, the shrine is a Shinto one and "honour" is an inaccurate term. It is more akin to respect out of fear. They do not wish for the dead to come back so they more or less placate them. Interestingly enough, there are Korean war criminals at that shrine too.
Japanese history books are no different than Korean or Chinese ones in glossing over history. I would equally blame all three nations for distorting the past. However, at least Japan can have a debate about such things. In Korea, if you do not toe the party line you are sidelined and ostracized. Sometimes I wonder if Korea really is a democracy? Ultra-hyper nationalism rules here and it appears they have learned nothing from Japan's experiment with such things in the past. Who really has issues with history now?
Regardless if there are other nations with blood on their hands in Vietnam (and there certainly is), Korea does not own up to their past in that war. A legacy of up to 50,000 dead civilians should be apologized and compensated for, or is it different when the shoe is on the other foot? |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| However, at least Japan can have a debate about such things. In Korea, if you do not toe the party line you are sidelined and ostracized. Sometimes I wonder if Korea really is a democracy? Ultra-hyper nationalism rules here and it appears they have learned nothing from Japan's experiment with such things in the past. Who really has issues with history now? |
There is no room for debate about history in China either. I also recall a professor (Korean) being lambasted in Korea for arguing that Japanese culpability for the sexual enslavement of comfort women has been grossly exaggerated. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
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There's a nazi themed bar of some description in Uijeongbu as well.
I stumbled across it in the early hours of one morning and caused a bit of trouble. Not sure I can venture back there to get photographic evidence....not for a while anyway. |
You must give me directions for this one. |
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bellum99
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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I once asked how many Japanese were in Korea during the occupation. The numbers were very small. Then I asked how the Japanese could be running around destroying everything and rounding up the people and oppressing them so easily. The truth was that it was the Korean who were working for the Japanese who did a lot of the terrible things. They were later rewarded very well with land and money. These people later went on to great success....
Can we say Samsung, Hyundai..etc. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| I thought it had closed, but what the hell do I know, it's been 3 years since I was in Daejeon. I know it was near the old Zoo bar - which has also closed. Damn! |
I went past it a few weeks ago on my way to the Seo Daejeon train station. It could have been during the day. But all the signs were still there and it seemed open. I will go over there Friday night after work , and find out for sure if it is open. I will also get a business card from a major business in the area to facilitate getting there, if it is open. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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I once asked how many Japanese were in Korea during the occupation. The numbers were very small. Then I asked how the Japanese could be running around destroying everything and rounding up the people and oppressing them so easily. The truth was that it was the Korean who were working for the Japanese who did a lot of the terrible things. They were later rewarded very well with land and money. These people later went on to great success....
Can we say Samsung, Hyundai..etc. |
Also a large amount of Korean political leaders. Park Junghee volunteered for the Japanese Air Force.
Koreans do not like this. I got the impression this recent pardon was for people who were forced to serve the Japanese, rather than traitors who willingly did so. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 4:59 am Post subject: |
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| Japanese history books are no different than Korean or Chinese ones in glossing over history. I would equally blame all three nations for distorting the past. |
I agree. |
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Slep
Joined: 14 Oct 2006
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| Homer wrote: |
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| Japanese history books are no different than Korean or Chinese ones in glossing over history. I would equally blame all three nations for distorting the past. |
I agree. |
They need a People's History of Korea, Japan and China.! |
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I-am-me
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Location: Hermit Kingdom
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Can someone post good directions to either the Hitler bar in Daejeon or Uijungbu? I'm going to take pictures of it this weekend. |
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