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tired of LA
Joined: 06 Nov 2006
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 Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:41 pm Post subject: CDI Question |
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Yes I know of all the bad press that they have gotten in the past. Putting that aside, I have some questions that I didn't find the answer to in other threads.
First is about the 7 days vacation. One thread said that CDI follows the laws when it comes to what is required by an employer, but another thread said that 10 days paid vacation and all national holidays were required by law. Is this true?
Second question is about the hiring process. I had an interview with someone from the HR department, he did not give me a specific location that I was interviewing for. He has offered me a initial salary and said they are looking for a position in the locations I preferred, Seoul and Busan, and will give me an official offer once they find one. My question is, is this normal for CDI, not interviewing with a specific branch or franchise and the way they offered me an initial salary?
Third and final question for now. Which compensation package is better, the hourly or salary. The offer was for 29,000 won an hour or 2.4 salary. Now if I factor in the fact that with the salary I get the seperation bonus it works out to approx. 2.6 a month with housing. Now with the hourly, if I worked the minimum I would make about 2.8 without housing or apprx. 3.5 without housing if I worked the maximum number of hours. How much should I expect to pay for housing and medical insurance if I wanted to get it on my own. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:40 pm Post subject: Re: CDI Question |
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| tired of LA wrote: |
Yes I know of all the bad press that they have gotten in the past. Putting that aside, I have some questions that I didn't find the answer to in other threads.
First is about the 7 days vacation. One thread said that CDI follows the laws when it comes to what is required by an employer, but another thread said that 10 days paid vacation and all national holidays were required by law. Is this true?
Second question is about the hiring process. I had an interview with someone from the HR department, he did not give me a specific location that I was interviewing for. He has offered me a initial salary and said they are looking for a position in the locations I preferred, Seoul and Busan, and will give me an official offer once they find one. My question is, is this normal for CDI, not interviewing with a specific branch or franchise and the way they offered me an initial salary?
Third and final question for now. Which compensation package is better, the hourly or salary. The offer was for 29,000 won an hour or 2.4 salary. Now if I factor in the fact that with the salary I get the seperation bonus it works out to approx. 2.6 a month with housing. Now with the hourly, if I worked the minimum I would make about 2.8 without housing or apprx. 3.5 without housing if I worked the maximum number of hours. How much should I expect to pay for housing and medical insurance if I wanted to get it on my own. |
Article 59 (Annual Paid Leave) {of the Korean Labor Standards Act}
(1) An employer shall grant 10 days� leaves with pay to workers
who have offered work without an absence throughout a year and 8
days� leaves with pay to those who have registered more than 90
percent of attendance during one year.
(1) An employer shall grant 15 days� paid leave to worker
who has registered more than 80 percent of attendance during
one year. <Amended by Act No. 6974, Sep. 15, 2003>
The rest of your questions are history, do a search. |
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waltjocketty
Joined: 09 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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Regarding your first question: CDI will be hiring you as a contractor, so they are not required to give you more than 7 days of vacation. You will still get some holidays, but that will depend on where you are working. And you will likely have to make up the hours you miss.
Regarding your second question: It is pretty standard for them to not tell you where you will be working until they know what classes they will be training you in and what schools need teachers in those classes, so yes.
Lastly, the monthly contract will likely work out to more money (about $200/month), but you have to work more days each week. This all will depend on the cost of your housing, but as I understand it you will be working 120 hrs as a monthly instructor and 96 as hourly, because it works out better for the company, financially. Medical insurance will be $30/month, but a doctor visit is only $10, so I advise you to not get medical insurance under the hourly contract unless you have serious medical needs. Housing will be $400-800, depending where you live. I pay $450. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:29 am Post subject: |
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| waltjocketty wrote: |
Regarding your first question: CDI will be hiring you as a contractor, so they are not required to give you more than 7 days of vacation. You will still get some holidays, but that will depend on where you are working. And you will likely have to make up the hours you miss.
This is a violation of immigration law. E2 visa holders are legally considered to be fulltime salaried employees.
Regarding your second question: It is pretty standard for them to not tell you where you will be working until they know what classes they will be training you in and what schools need teachers in those classes, so yes.
Lastly, the monthly contract will likely work out to more money (about $200/month), but you have to work more days each week. This all will depend on the cost of your housing, but as I understand it you will be working 120 hrs as a monthly instructor and 96 as hourly, because it works out better for the company, financially. Medical insurance will be $30/month, but a doctor visit is only $10, so I advise you to not get medical insurance under the hourly contract unless you have serious medical needs. Housing will be $400-800, depending where you live. I pay $450. |
Opting out of medical is NOT a legal option but is allowed by CDI because they can illegally avoid their share of the premiums. It also keeps you out of sight of the national pension plan so they can illegally avoid that too.
For anyone who is Canadian or American it means a loss of about 1 million won per year.
Just because your thieving hagwon is a little less thieving than the next big chain does NOT make it a good place to work. |
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waltjocketty
Joined: 09 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:33 am Post subject: |
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| Actually, under the monthly contract, you still get pension. |
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braunshade
Joined: 19 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 4:33 am Post subject: |
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I bet we all had hopes that CDI would actually be an honest place to work!
Typical Korean crooked hogwon. |
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waltjocketty
Joined: 09 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| you people are so negative its amazing. |
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DCJames
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:48 am Post subject: Re: CDI Question |
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| tired of LA wrote: |
First is about the 7 days vacation. One thread said that CDI follows the laws when it comes to what is required by an employer, but another thread said that 10 days paid vacation and all national holidays were required by law. Is this true? |
7 days of vacation? Don't normal hogwons offer 10 paid vacation days??? Isn't 10 days required by law for those on E2 Visas?????
| tired of LA wrote: |
The offer was for 29,000 won an hour or 2.4 salary. Now if I factor in the fact that with the salary I get the seperation bonus it works out to approx. 2.6 a month with housing. Now with the hourly, if I worked the minimum I would make about 2.8 without housing or apprx. 3.5 without housing if I worked the maximum number of hours. How much should I expect to pay for housing and medical insurance if I wanted to get it on my own. |
ISn't the "seperation bonus" another name for the "severance pay" equal to one month's pay that's required by law??? Medical insurance costs should be minimal, but housing for a decent comfortable place in a convenient part of Seoul will run around 500,000 won. If you can get the maximum hours each month, that would be a decent job. Anything less is the same as your average hogwon. Can they guarantee maximum hours? |
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ChuckECheese
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| waltjocketty wrote: |
| you people are so negative its amazing. |
We're not negative, but very careful and suspecious. |
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DCJames
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:58 am Post subject: |
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| ChuckECheese wrote: |
| waltjocketty wrote: |
| you people are so negative its amazing. |
We're not negative, but very careful and suspecious. |
Yes, any hogwon in Korea will give you as little as they can get away with, even the ones with sparkling reputations.
It's really a good idea to go over the details very carefully and critically of the job you will invest the next year in. |
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tired of LA
Joined: 06 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:38 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks for all your responses. I'm leaning towards the monthly right now just cause I don't really want to deal with finding my own apt, medical insurance and other details when I get to Korea. As for the paid vacation, I'll look into that a bit more, but does anyone have any experience of CDI giving more than their standard 7 days paid vacation even with citing the labor standards to them. |
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braunshade
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| You will get 7 days and thats it even though its illegal. Medical ins if you beg for it. Pension? hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!! |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:28 am Post subject: |
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| waltjocketty wrote: |
| you people are so negative its amazing. |
CDI is just as crooked and dishionest as all the other hagwons. Their training is illegal. Period. You get remuneraion for it - and the documentation I have seen actually states half pay, thus utterly illegal as it is pre-visa - in the form of hotel and expenses, a.k.a. compensation, so is illegal no matter how they spin it.
Calling you a "contractor" makes you illegal under the E2, or do they and you not get that? I worked for another hagwon that tried that. We straightened them out on that right quick like.
Etc.
A hagwon is a hagwon is a hagwon. The only reason to work at CDI, as opposed to some other hagwon, is that they do seem to have a decent program in place. But with regard to the legalities? Same ol', same ol'.
Oh, and the contract provision that you can't discuss your salary with ANYONE? B.S. And the provision that takes away staff development days for being sick? That's just asinine. Etc. The least teacher-friendly contract I have seen to date. Very rigid and none of the provisions protects the teacher. Also not novel.
Note: I am not saying don't work at CDI. I am saying their contracts and practices do not outshine anyone else. Their program might, however. |
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