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n3ptne



Joined: 14 Sep 2005
Location: Poh*A*ng City

PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:16 am    Post subject: I hate foreigners Reply with quote

I've been here over a year, and in that time I've come to realize one fundamental truth about this country: The character of the average foreigner [here] is just barely scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Honestly I can't stand my "colleagues" here. They are lazy, unmotivated schleps without the slightest regard for understanding either the country, culture, or people they find themselves amid. And, I unconditionally understand/support the Korean line of distrust towards foreigners. I even adopt it as my own.

I am constantly enamored by the composition of Korean ethics vis-a-viv all things, and find myself trying to mimick them down to minutiae. I find myself adopting their prejudices toward the Westerners here.

I'm not being xenophobic, as I'm sure I'll be charged (despite my Americanism), but the ilk of half of you (or undoubtably more) is simply substandard compared to those I once knew.

We are paid nearly double what the average Korean makes, yet we work roughly half as hard... and despite this, we, as a collective, campaign for even greater disparity. We call in sick for colds. We have no conception of how business is conducted here, or how things reflect on our employers. Worse yet, we don't care. *beep* you, pay me.

To the majority of us Korea is either a place to party, or a "spring board" of some form whether it be to see the world, or sock away money. But, from all that I gather, and despite the great benefits being given to us, the average foreigner has no desire to reciprocrate upon their hosts. It's all about "me".

That's the exact attitude that drove me out of the West.

Not saying Korean's are guilty, or even perfect. But I will this, I'll take my chances with them, over the average foreigner, any day of the week. I respect them.

I can't wait to immigrate.
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ChopChaeJoe



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate Koreans.

I hate foreigners.

I hate foreigners that hat koreans.

I hate Koreans that hate foreigners that hate Koreans.

I hate foreigners that koreans hate.

And on and on.

Dont you realize....


all you need is love.
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flotsam



Joined: 28 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChopChaeJoe wrote:
I hate Koreans.

I hate foreigners.

I hate foreigners that hat koreans.

I hate Koreans that hate foreigners that hate Koreans.

I hate foreigners that koreans hate.

And on and on.

Dont you realize....


all you need is love.


And trolls. ^^
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n3ptne



Joined: 14 Sep 2005
Location: Poh*A*ng City

PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Love for lazy bastards who complain because the silver spoons they were born with weren't gold?

No thanks.
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jaganath69



Joined: 17 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:32 am    Post subject: Re: I hate foreigners Reply with quote

n3ptne wrote:
I've been here over a year, and in that time I've come to realize one fundamental truth about this country: The character of the average foreigner [here] is just barely scraping the bottom of the barrel.


Congrats, although I thought you could have made up your mind like this before you got spat out of university.

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Honestly I can't stand my "colleagues" here. They are lazy, unmotivated schleps without the slightest regard for understanding either the country, culture, or people they find themselves amid. And, I unconditionally understand/support the Korean line of distrust towards foreigners. I even adopt it as my own.


Your colleagues perhaps. Mine are pretty functional guys. Actually, I would go as far as to say decent chaps. Maybe my lot employ a better class of white monkey than yours do.

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I am constantly enamored by the composition of Korean ethics vis-a-viv all things, and find myself trying to mimick them down to minutiae. I find myself adopting their prejudices toward the Westerners here.


Stockholm syndrome?

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I'm not being xenophobic, as I'm sure I'll be charged (despite my Americanism), but the ilk of half of you (or undoubtably more) is simply substandard compared to those I once knew.


See above, or better still go home if you found better people there.

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We are paid nearly double what the average Korean makes, yet we work roughly half as hard... and despite this, we, as a collective, campaign for even greater disparity. We call in sick for colds. We have no conception of how business is conducted here, or how things reflect on our employers. Worse yet, we don't care. *beep* you, pay me.


We are compensated at the rate the market pays for an educated person in our particular niche. The Korean average is lower because it takes the uneducated into account too. Moreover, we lack the job security (in some cases) that our Korean coworkers enjoy.

Regarding calling in sick, I don't know too many people who get more than a bare minimum of sick days. At my school you get virtually none. There quite often are consequences for taking a sickie.

Last two lines should be self evident. Yeah many have no idea of the work/business ethic here, but that is because it is diametrically opposed to where most of us come from. Noone hands you the golden guide when you get off the plane at Incheon.

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To the majority of us Korea is either a place to party, or a "spring board" of some form whether it be to see the world, or sock away money. But, from all that I gather, and despite the great benefits being given to us, the average foreigner has no desire to reciprocrate upon their hosts. It's all about "me".


Too right its a springboard, but what other options exist? I mean its not the west where they hand out PR and give you an incentive to at least partially integrate. You make it sound like people just come here and get paid for doing nothing, that's a trifle insulting to the thousands who take their jobs here seriously. Get out of the haggie system and you'll see I'm right.

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That's the exact attitude that drove me out of the West.

Not saying Korean's are guilty, or even perfect. But I will this, I'll take my chances with them, over the average foreigner, any day of the week. I respect them.

I can't wait to immigrate.


Cool, you can get the reverse of that operation the nasty Nork got in the Bond film, a Hanoplasty or whatever. I'll even chip in for your first hanbok.
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n3ptne



Joined: 14 Sep 2005
Location: Poh*A*ng City

PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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We are compensated at the rate the market pays for an educated person in our particular niche. The Korean average is lower because it takes the uneducated into account too. Moreover, we lack the job security (in some cases) that our Korean coworkers enjoy.


Yes, I agree from an economical standpoint.. but the fact remains that people (foreigners) who are predisposed to traveling abroad for such compensation are typically those who lack available, yet relative, oppurtunities in their home countries.

What bothers me is the stark contrast in the amount of work done between a Korean and a foreigner when contrasted to the disparity in pay.

As for better people back at home? I have a laundry list of people I want to import to come work with me.

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Noone hands you the golden guide when you get off the plane at Incheon.


No handed me one either, but I managed to figure it out pretty damn quick.

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You make it sound like people just come here and get paid for doing nothing, that's a trifle insulting to the thousands who take their jobs here seriously.


I don't care if you do or don't take your job seriously. You don't do anything in comparison to what you get paid for. You're there for the color of your skin, your accent, and to be a glorified babysitter.
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huntjuliehunt



Joined: 18 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am someone who came to Korea for money alone. Yes, I could have stayed in the USA and gotten a job, but I'm not normal, and when my acting and writing aren't paying the bills, I refuse to have a "normal" job. So, since schools pay airfare and housing, I thought- what the heck- I'll go to Korea. I'm on my way out of here next week, and I have nothing left to prove to anyone. I have nothing left to gripe about in angst, because I see the near future, and Christmas with family, where Korea is a distant past.

I never found a true friend here. I have spent 6 months alone in my room. I haven't exercised or eaten well, and being a vegetarian has been especially difficult for me here. Contrary to foreigners telling me that I would "be infected with yellow fever" like everyone else if I stayed long enough (the term sounds offensive to me anyway) I never found myself physically attracted to Koreans. I never felt that I related to them, and I spent all of my time trying to find quality foreigners, or at least one who I identified with. There are some good ones, and many nasty ones, but like I said, I've been alone. No real intimacy of any kind.

At the end of this, I feel that I haven't had a true Korean experience. And yet, what is that exactly? I'm not one to run to every landmark for a common tourist's photo. Yes, I'm sure there are some things I could have done to enrich my time here. But I realize something too. I have spent my days, and my only real conversation, with my Korean students. I have experienced this country through their eyes, through their hearts and thoughts. And life is not about things, but about people. I've had some nasty students too. But I have cared about my students and been real with them, and for me, they are Korea.

I am giving you more information than you need, but I understand the original poster's message. The need for money is a hard reality, and there is nothing wrong with going somewhere for that sole purpose. But I have spent months being antisocial or indifferent with the Korean teachers, while everyday they put a little candy of some sort on my desk and seem to stumble nervously around me.

The first foreign teacher I worked with, screamed at the director everyday and threatened her in front of everyone. The other foreign teacher never spoke to anyone. I liked both of them regardless. At the same time, my heart aches for the negative ways we handle cultural barriers and the way we hurt people. I am not ashamed that I never ate Korean food. I am not ashamed that I haven't completed a to-do list of touring Seoul. I am only ashamed that I didn't give a little more of myself to those around me, and that they may have been emotionally hurt by the actions and attitudes of foreigners like myself.

Schools faults, some enormous, include cheating us on money, which is something I'm facing right now. But I can't excuse my faults based on theirs. I also had a nasty Korean manager from Seoul in America, but he can answer for what he's done over there. The Koreans here have, more often than not, treated me well and soon it will no longer be about "me" and "them" but about God and me, and about me and me... and what will I see?
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