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| What is your religious preference? |
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38% |
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2% |
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2% |
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| Buddhist |
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9% |
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17% |
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| Atheist |
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18% |
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| Other |
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10% |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| otis wrote: |
| See you in hell, punk! |
If there is a hell, and I'm going there, I doubt I'll see you there. Your bringing back Freak of the Week should be enough to get you into heaven, don't you think? |
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otis
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 2:25 am Post subject: |
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| Son Deureo! wrote: |
| otis wrote: |
| See you in hell, punk! |
If there is a hell, and I'm going there, I doubt I'll see you there. Your bringing back Freak of the Week should be enough to get you into heaven, don't you think? |
Probably not.
I think I'll have to do better than that.
I've got a lot of stains on the old suit. |
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otis
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 2:44 am Post subject: |
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| Son Deureo! wrote: |
| otis wrote: |
| See you in hell, punk! |
If there is a hell, and I'm going there, I doubt I'll see you there. Your bringing back Freak of the Week should be enough to get you into heaven, don't you think? |
You guys never understand.
But you have a special "in" with God.
He is all about the underdog. Remember the Parable of the Prodigal Son?
He's a fan of the unbeliever.
I, on the other hand, am in a bad spot. I've always been in the fold, so to speak. Hell, I handle snakes on Sundays.
But because I'm a believer, my opinion is held in less respect. Because I'm a believer, I'm expected to tow the line.
I might actually be in hell before you.
Trust me on this.
He's voting for you more than me. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:22 am Post subject: |
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My religious preference is dancing and chanting with wild animals ...
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SuperFly
Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:39 am Post subject: |
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I know why they're dancing. They grew Hindu Kush buds and they were happy campers.  |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:22 am Post subject: |
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All religion is nonsense. It doesn't matter whether you belong to one nonsensical group or another. Atheism, on the other hand, is not a religion. It's the rejection of religion and superstition in all its forms.
Religion is ignorance. It doesn't matter which branch of the Cult of Ignorance you belong to. Tis all the same. Reject it.
Religion is intellectually lazy and scientifically preposterous.
Doesn't everyone here have a university degree? I'm baffled how institutions of higher learning in the scientifically-advanced West can hand out degrees to people who believe in demons, angels, talking snakes and pillars of salt. Shouldn't people have to learn how to think critically and confront past superstitions before being allowed to graduate from an institute of 'higher learning.'
I'm not even convinced that religious people should be allowed to vote. If you think the world is 5000 years old, and that some ancient Hebrew deity created the world in six days (then needed to take a day off to 'rest'), then that's really pathetic. If you think that all the creatures on the planet (millions of species) all fit onto Noah's ark, then you're not intellectually fit to be determining the fate on nations in the third millenium.
Come on people. Give it up already. |
Some excellent ideas, Phillip. I completely forgot to say that I too hate, with poisonous intensity, all the religions - especially the Big Three � mind you, I�m no fan of the trendy ones either, which sadly have proponents on Daves.
The darkly-comically contradictory element in the religions is this: it doesn't matter a fookin jot how wonderful an individual Jesus, Moses, Mohammed was. The world would be an awful lot better if these individuals were shot at birth, thus invalidating any religious, divine significance they might have.
But what you fail to see is that atheism must also be crushed. Agnosticism is the only gig in town and you MUST attend. I tolerate atheism, but I do not like it and never will. I agree it�s unbearable sharing a planet with folk who believe in afterlife, souls and all that boll0cks, but there ARE very feasibly other forms of existence that we are unaware of or even incapable of being aware of. One is obliged to leave open this possibility. It's arrogant and ludicrous to buy the thesis that what we know, what we can know, is all there is. Even if it's actually true, you've no right to believe it. Imagine being a fish and thinking your perception, your knowledge of the world, was all there is to know. A very arrogant and foolish fish!
My view is that reality is different (possibly drastically) from the way we perceive it and it's impossible to get at it. Only God (if it exists) or if nature perceives itself can the possibility of objective perception, objective knowledge of reality, be possible. We don't see the world - we see our mind. Our senses have an external stimulus we simply cannot know. The senses, the mind, contaminate the objective reality entering. I do not believe in objects, space, time, light, temperature, movement, and I reject entirely the view that the world actually is as it appears to us.
We know bugger all, basically. Humans have achieved great things that I enjoy very much, but it's mostly mind and very little world. All knowledge is an internal exploration. Of the external world, the nature of reality, we can know nothing. Philosophically, we're still at the same point Socrates and Plato were. Socrates's opponents said "mate, we know fook all - deal with it!". Socrates objected "Hang on! Surely there are some things - absolute truths of reason - that we can and do know?". A surprising amount of people buy this. In 300BC of course that was understandable but in 2006AD it's unforgivably stupid. It is arrogant, ridiculous, to suppose items of human language (like number, like particulars and universals, like normative concepts such as �should�, �good/bad� etc) have any significance beyond our skulls. It's a complete mystery to me how seemingly intelligent folk believe it. They should think on I feel!
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| so you are a Hedonist? |
Possibly that's in the ballpark, but it doesn't suffice. Zealous narcissism I suggest is best. And I'm utterly intolerant of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from my own. |
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bluelake
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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The Atheist must believe in something.
Existance perhaps?
Not believing in a higher power I can understand.
That would be Atheism a belief that a higher power does not exist.
One must have faith in something, yourself maybe, humankind, science.
Yes I think maybe one could be guilty of faith.
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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Possibly that's in the ballpark, but it doesn't suffice. Zealous narcissism I suggest is best. And I'm utterly intolerant of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from my own.
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I believe "complete and utter twat" is the correct formal term for your particular affliction...
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Hosub
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| SPINOZA wrote: |
Fanatical agnostic. God or no God cannot ever be known or proved, and I suspect the answers lie well beyond our five puney senses and creature-subjective concepts, thus belief either way is uninteresting and pointless.
My religion is the strict obedience to (and immediate satisfaction of) my whims, desires, lusts, be it legal or illegal, mundane or morally-repugnant. This is the highest good. |
Totally agree with you, metaphysics can't solve anything; better to live life. |
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atlhockey
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Jeonju City
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| Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:42 am Post subject: |
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| cbclark4 wrote: |
| One must have faith in something, yourself maybe, humankind, science. |
Faith in myself, usually, faith in humanity, sometimes. The thing is that the other things you mentioned don't require faith. I know I exist. I know science is true. And even faith in those other things isn't the same as faith in god -- I have faith in myself because I've demonstrated my abilities to survive (or do well, or whatever) in the past.
You don't need faith in something of which there is NO evidence to have meaning. My faith has basis in reality which...means it isn't really faith, is it? |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:57 am Post subject: |
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| Looks like atheists really are the vocal minority. With the flood of postings on the subject recently I was starting to think otherwise. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 5:05 am Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
| Looks like atheists really are the vocal minority. With the flood of postings on the subject recently I was starting to think otherwise. |
They aren't really a minority. 10 to 22 is not really that much of a minority. Especially considering it's relatively new as a group and is only now becoming more acceptable (no burnings and such). And they are growing. Anyone know any openly athiest politicians? There probably aren't that many.
I am not one though, though I usually side with them currently. Though I have seen some militant ones who would want to destroy all religion and free choice, gotta watch them and not let them sway too far. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 5:11 am Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| mithridates wrote: |
| Looks like atheists really are the vocal minority. With the flood of postings on the subject recently I was starting to think otherwise. |
They aren't really a minority. 10 to 22 is not really that much of a minority. |
Comparing the two though, it's obvious that the number of posts per capita is much higher. Kind of like how IALs work extra hard on their Wikipedias to try to look bigger than they are. Not bad, just interesting. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 5:16 am Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
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| Looks like atheists really are the vocal minority. With the flood of postings on the subject recently I was starting to think otherwise. |
They aren't really a minority. 10 to 22 is not really that much of a minority. |
Comparing the two though, it's obvious that the number of posts per capita is much higher. Kind of like how IALs work extra hard on their Wikipedias to try to look bigger than they are. Not bad, just interesting. |
ahhh. OK. |
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