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laconic2 · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Wonderful World of ESL

Very interesting idea from the Canadian PM:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6174986.stm

laogaiguk · Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea

Moldy Rutabaga · Joined: 01 Jul 2003 Location: Ansan, Korea

I'm not sure that it would actually make a great deal of difference to the polity of Canada, any more than cosmetic recognition of Basque in Spain really changes that country's makeup.

Still, it's a cagey move from Harper, because it costs him little and gives his party the legacy of being the guys who 'recognized' Quebec, all at the cost of the Bloc, which would have substantially less of an axe to grind. No wonder the Bloc is contemptuous of the motion.

Ken:>

Octavius Hite · Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 3:25 am Post subject:

What are you guys smoking???? This is a friggin stupid move. The people who vote Bloq, vote Bloq, they are not going to change votes to Conservative. Those who who voted Con (from Quebec) in the last election were federalists who were pissed at the Liberals for the adscam buisness. Those voters will go back to the Liberal's in the next election.

The east coasters will be pissed that Quebec is getting yet another break. I can't imagine those in Ontario, Alberta and BC are anymore impressed.

My prediction, next election Liberal's sweep the east coast, pick up their old Quebec seats and sweep Ontario. The Con's are going out (I hope) and this just smacks of desperation.

Moldy Rutabaga · Joined: 01 Jul 2003 Location: Ansan, Korea

Some Bloc votes are not going to move. But when the Bloc is faced with voting on the motion, they can choose to support the Conservatives and lose a little support, or they can vote down the motion and lose a great deal of support when Quebec voters ask why they rejected a motion for nationhood. No wonder they are hostile.

We don't know the substance of the motion yet. If it is simply a political recognition of nationhood, it will make little if any difference to the east or west coast voters. If it carries some provisions of electoral power it would be suicide for the voter base, but we do not know that any of this is planned. Ontario Liberal voters aren't going to support the Conservatives anyway, and if they desert the Conservatives it will be over other issues more substantial than this.

Ken:>

cbclark4 · Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Location: Masan

Are these Quebeckers a religious cult or the oppressed indigenous or something. You must bring us foreigners up to speed.

cbc

Bulsajo · Joined: 16 Jan 2003

It's good stuff. Now we can move on.

BTW, I was watching editorial comments about this last night- this is something that Ignatieff recently proposed. So, Harper has both stolen Liberal thunder and aided Ignatieff (whom he would rather face in the next election than Dion or Rae). Very shrewd.

Green Tea · Joined: 04 Nov 2006

Doofy Harper is a vote wh*re... He'll say just about anything to get himself that precious majority.

My Precioussssssssss....!

Bulsajo · Joined: 16 Jan 2003

Is that the best you can do?

Honestly. The quicker you leave Canada for Korea, the better off Canada will be.

To recap:

1. It was a politically clever move, almost all analysts that I've heard/read agree.

2. It was the right thing to do (acknowledging a blatantly obvious fact, and recognizing it in a way that undercuts separatism)

Disclaimer: Since some dumbass will probably accuse me of being a Conservative stooge- I've never voted Conservative and for the last two Federal elections have voted Green. To not recognize political astuteness- regardless of which party it issues from- is to willfully remain ignorant about politics.

Green Tea · Joined: 04 Nov 2006

Bulsajo · Joined: 16 Jan 2003

Touch�.

No need to tell me who you voted for- it's painfully obvious that you're too young to vote (emotionally if not physically).

Octavius Hite · Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 4:00 pm Post subject:

Its not just this stupid nation buisness, its also the end to income trusts, and now this foolish GST cut and income splitting plan. He is very clearly taking the GW Bush plan of tax cuts stimulate the economy. I have no trouble remembering the heady days Brian "The Chin" Mulroney where we spiraled out of control into debt. I want measured and responsible tax cuts when we can afford them, not just cause these boneheads want to appease the oil patch. As for the Quebec move, it may play well in Quebec but not in the rest of Canada. Like I said before, the people who vote Bloc always vote Bloc. They want independance, they are not going to vote Conservative. Maybe the Con's win some seats in Quebec in the spring, but they are going to get trounced on the East Coast who views Quebec as a spoiled child already.

As for the analysts on CBC, Chantel Hubert (Or whatever her name is) and the rest of them are in my opinion twits, and not very bright. This only seeks to split our country further and add some legal recognition should they ever vote to leave. I hope the Lib's, NDP, Bloc block this and the stupid Bloc motion.

cbclark4 · Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Location: Masan

Okay we'll give you Michigans Upper Penninsula for Quebec, that's it final offer.

cbc

Green Tea · Joined: 04 Nov 2006

freethought · Joined: 13 Mar 2005

If I may...

As someone who speaks french fluently, and whose father grew up in Quebec and I have a French last name.... this is a *beep*-ing bad idea.

The move is an insult to Canadians across the country, from coast to coast to coast, including Quebec. A party that has little to no understanding or respect for the province or the people is trying to buy them off.

For the rest of the country it's a slap in the face. Quebecers are a 'nation' my ass. I've lived there, in a very divided separatist community no less, and there is no 'nation of quebec'. There's a dinstinct culture, that's for sure, but I'd say the same about just about every province in the country, and I've been to'em all. Moreover, Gatineau is vastly different than St Foy, and St lazarre is far different than Montreal, despite being a mere 35 minute drive from one another.

The bottom line is that there's only one nation and that's Canada. Where this one is even coming from I've no idea. Of all the things Harper and the CPC could have pulled out of their asses they had to go and grab this one???

And, for yank who asked for an explanation--- Quebec is Canada's largest province in size, and second most in population. Originally founded as a French colony way back when it fell to the brits, but retained it's 'distinctiveness' and french culture and language. Roughly 65-70% of the people speak french as a first language, and for a solid chunk of those, it's their only language. But roughly 30 to maybe even as high as 45% of the population speaks English or is bilingual. Quebec is far more Liberal on sex and drugs than the rest of the country, and far more progressive on many social issues(gay mairrage) than the rest of the country, despite it's roman catholic heritage. Maybe the most important issue--- on two different occassions in the last 30 years they have tried to 'separate' from Canada via a referendum, and came damn close at succeeding. They were also home to a separatist terrorist group that caused a national panic and an international incident.