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drumpounder
Joined: 20 Jun 2006
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| I called God on His mobile a few minutes ago. He said "Man...I don't care what y'all do. Leave me out of it, I'm all tied up with this racist Kramer thing. He was my favourite Seinfeld character." |
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i_teach_esl
Joined: 07 Sep 2006
Location: baebang, asan/cheonan
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 5:25 am Post subject: |
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George Carlin on Religion
Funny stuff
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SzHlMs2rSIM
"He's got a list of 10 things he doesn't want you to do, and if you do them....... " (you'll burn in hell forever)
"But he loves you!" |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 7:54 am Post subject: Re: From the OP... |
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The Old Testament said, "Thou shalt not commit adultery"
The New Testament said, "Even if you look at a woman with lust in your heart, you have committed adultery" (paraphrased)
Which means that every man has commited adultery? It's almost impossible to not look at girls with mini skirts, low cut tops, and not think dirty. I mean we are all human, but does that make us adulterers?
Honestly its hard to live as a true Christian, especially for young men and this thing called Lust.
I don't know how God will judge, but I think God being a fair judge isn't going condemn a guy who lusts now and again the same way that he judges a rapist or adulterer.
I heard somewhere, that men think of sex every 2 minutes, or something like that.....
Either we are a bunch of adulterers, or Jesus is saying something that I am not interpreting in the right way?
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Before I became a Christian, I loved my women. I would be monogamous for a couple of years or I would have 2 or 3 on the go at a time. Fun at the time, but not fulfilling. Always worrying about the consequences. Did I get them pregnant, or how do I cut off my arm to get rid of them or what about STD's, or falling in love and getting your heart ripped out, or having someone fall in love with you and ripping their heart out. All unpleasant scenarios.
When I came to Christ, I gave up sex and you know what, it wasn't hard. Literally speaking.  Anyway, when you enter into relationship with Christ, it is better than sex. It is so desireable and so pleasurable that sex becomes a second thought. It isn't the all-consuming activity it once was. Read song of songs and the deepened level of intimacy between Christ and His bride. It is powerful and consuming.
Then you become married, and it becomes an amazing experience. Being with someone you love and with a person that loves you in return. And this is why sex was created....so that we would give ourselves fully to the other person. No masks, no hidden agendas, no lies, no manipulation...etc. It is amazing. Sure there are crappy times, but overall it gets better.
When sex is all about yourself and pleasing yourself, it isn't as rewarding as when you seek to please the other person. Before, that's what it was about. Maybe some of the posters who engage in sex outside of marriage will tell ya, that they love to please, but I find that hard to believe. When there is no commitment, why give yourself 100%?
Alright...feed me to the lions boys and gals. |
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canuckistan
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Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:05 am Post subject: |
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When sex is all about yourself and pleasing yourself, it isn't as rewarding as when you seek to please the other person. Before, that's what it was about. Maybe some of the posters who engage in sex outside of marriage will tell ya, that they love to please, but I find that hard to believe. When there is no commitment, why give yourself 100%?
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I do not find it hard to believe that you cannot seem to use the word "share" in the description of your past love life, nor presumably, can you fathom any other individuals capable of "sharing" sexual encounters without constantly throwing in the "Jesus" factor.
I'm actually starting to feel sorry for you that your life has been so obviously narrow in the scope and breadth of human experiences. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:38 am Post subject: |
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When sex is all about yourself and pleasing yourself, it isn't as rewarding as when you seek to please the other person. Before, that's what it was about. Maybe some of the posters who engage in sex outside of marriage will tell ya, that they love to please, but I find that hard to believe. When there is no commitment, why give yourself 100%?
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I do not find it hard to believe that you cannot seem to use the word "share" in the description of your past love life, nor presumably, can you fathom any other individuals capable of "sharing" sexual encounters without constantly throwing in the "Jesus" factor.
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I think people can share without "Jesus", but i think it's much more difficult. Being giving opposes the nature of our being. "Jesus" helps us give.
Though, like I have said before, there are those who walk close to Jesus, but don't confess his name than those who say they do.
Regardless, I think the true point of sexuality and its deepest pleasure comes from a point of unselfish giving. Wouldn't you agree? |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:47 am Post subject: |
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| when you enter into relationship with Christ, it is better than sex. |
I always kinda figured you fundies were kinky... |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| I think the true point of sexuality and its deepest pleasure comes from a point of unselfish giving. Wouldn't you agree? |
Absolutely. But that has nothing to do with Jesus, just so we're all clear on that point. |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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When sex is all about yourself and pleasing yourself, it isn't as rewarding as when you seek to please the other person. Before, that's what it was about. Maybe some of the posters who engage in sex outside of marriage will tell ya, that they love to please, but I find that hard to believe. When there is no commitment, why give yourself 100%?
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I do not find it hard to believe that you cannot seem to use the word "share" in the description of your past love life, nor presumably, can you fathom any other individuals capable of "sharing" sexual encounters without constantly throwing in the "Jesus" factor.
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..........Regardless, I think the true point of sexuality and its deepest pleasure comes from a point of unselfish giving. Wouldn't you agree? |
Sure, but the way you make it sound is like men can't do the "unselfish giving" aspect of sex without the Jesus or marriage factor in their lives.
It's unfortunate you couldn't get to that "unselfish" place without the bible brainwashing--but getting there on your own would take a certain amount of self-awareness and emotional intelligence wouldn't it?
Also, has it never ocurred to you that women like having no-strings-attached sex just as much as men do? You make it sound like in the sex equation women are some sort of hapless, put-upon creatures victimized by perpetually horny men. Takes 2 to tango. Women can and do have sex with any guy they want and just walk away just as easily...smiling as well...with no intention of seeing Monsieur ever again, let alone marrying him. Nowadays, we call our own shots and are free to shag whom we want without getting labled, scorned....or married.
If you're getting each other pregnant as a result of NOT discussing birth control with each other, then you weren't paying attention in sex education 101 in high school and using birth control/ STD prevention methods---or your parents were too uptight/irresponsible to educate you about your body...and that isn't an unmarried sex/you-aren't-into-Jesus problem, that's a basic intelligence/lack of responsibility problem--yours and/or your parents.
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| when you enter into relationship with Christ, it is better than sex. |
I always kinda figured you fundies were kinky... |
And they like meth as well. |
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pastis
Joined: 20 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 4:42 pm Post subject: Re: From the OP... |
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| Before I became a Christian, I loved my women. I would be monogamous for a couple of years or I would have 2 or 3 on the go at a time. Fun at the time, but not fulfilling |
Sounds like you weren't trying hard enough.
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| Regardless, I think the true point of sexuality and its deepest pleasure comes from a point of unselfish giving. Wouldn't you agree? |
No. the "true point" of sexuality is intercourse and the "deepest pleasure" comes from achieving an orgasm. At best Jesus is only ever an extraneous impediment to these goals. |
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sillywilly
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Canada.
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I envy married people who only improve their sex life the longer they're together. I've heard it's common, believe it or not. Unfortunately, I've never been married so I can't compare married sex to pre-marital sex. I do know that I've often lost interest in my partner sexually after being in a monogomous relationship for any length of time. Sad but true and thats just me, I guess. I think it would be a huge sin to make a vow to be with someone forever only to end up depriving that person of sex or even enthusiastic sex after a while. Good sex is important in life. Even if your idea of good sex is doing it with someone you love, just because you love someone doesn't mean you'll have good sex.
That said, I'm all for keeping the number of partners to a minimum. Those people who abstain until marriage and whose partners do the same a) won't know what they're missing so its not like they'll be comparing their spouse to a better-skilled ex. b) probably won't catch anything.
If you can do it and make it last, then kudos to you. If only there was a way of knowing ahead of time before making a vow. |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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I think people can share without "Jesus", but i think it's much more difficult. Being giving opposes the nature of our being. "Jesus" helps us give.
Though, like I have said before, there are those who walk close to Jesus, but don't confess his name than those who say they do.
Regardless, I think the true point of sexuality and its deepest pleasure comes from a point of unselfish giving. Wouldn't you agree? |
You've completely contradicted yourself: if you experiece pleasure by giving someone else pleasure, that's selfish- you enjoyed it, right?
The only un-selfish act of sex would be one with someone you didn't want to be with and derived no personal (selfish) enjoyment from.
But then if the other person enjoyed it then it wouldn't be an un-selfish act. So, according the ideals of selflessness, sex should be between two people who don't want to be together, trying to pleasure each other and failing at it, with both parties miserable. Anything else is selfish, right? A monstrous scenario, you say? Such is the nature of self-sacrifice.
Love is selfish. |
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oskinny1
Joined: 10 Nov 2006
Location: Right behind you!
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 3:21 am Post subject: |
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I went to a Christian Uni and many couples there would do the whole anal thing because to them it wasn't really sex. Some sort of loophole I guess.
knew one couple who dated for 5 years, never had sex (in either hole) until they got married. The marriage lasted less than a year because he hated it and she couldn't get enough of it(sex that is). This was from a couple who denied the existance of dinosaurs, saying they are a trick of Satan's.
Hebrews 13:4 is usually quoted to me as being the "no sex before marrige" line, but I call bs on that...Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge(KJV).
So basically, don't be a *beep*... and use a condom (or two if you're with a Canadian  ) |
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waltjocketty
Joined: 09 Oct 2006
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| I had no idea you people were really out there. |
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