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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Calling the project "state-sponsored suicide," Walters called the site a waste of resources that should go to treatment and said any policy making life easier for drug users will only attract more addicts. |
This is typical conservative thinking that is based on an incorrect understanding of the human being. The presumtion here is that more people would chose to be an addict if the law made it easier to be an addict. This is false. People don't "chose" be become an addict. It's not an active choice. It's not like there are a whole bunch of people out there who would like to be heroin addicts but refrain because the laws are too harsh, thinking to themselves, gosh I'd really like to destroy my life with herion but it seems just to inconvenient right now, but maybe if they ease up on the laws a bit I'll give it a go. |
So what your saying is that People DON'T choose to stick a needle in their arm? The needle just slips and sticks in their arm by itself? |
I'm saying that by the time you're at the point in life where sticking a needle in your arm would seem to make things better then you are in a state of dispair. And you're not going to refrain becuase of the law. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know nor care if addiction is a choice or not. I'm a guy who likes to do things that work. This site works. 50+ years of American DEA policy has been proven wrong. So let's open as many of these as necessary and help get rid of dangerous drug abuse that affects society.
The War on Drugs is a MASSIVE and TOTAL failure. Let's try something that works and costs 1/10 or less of what the stupid White House's drug war does. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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For instance, anyone under the age of let's say 30 who is a smoker MADE A CONSCIOUS CHOICE TO BECOME AN ADDICT. |
People choose to use cigarettes. They don't choose to be addicted. How many people, especially teenagers, make choices based upon the long term consequences? |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:54 am Post subject: |
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For instance, anyone under the age of let's say 30 who is a smoker MADE A CONSCIOUS CHOICE TO BECOME AN ADDICT. |
People choose to use cigarettes. They don't choose to be addicted. How many people, especially teenagers, make choices based upon the long term consequences? |
I made the choice to quit because of the long term consequences. Personal responsibility does play a part in this. But, that doesn't mean that we should lack compassion and not help those who screwed up their lives.
That Tool song... "F*ck all these junkies and F*ck their short memories" played a big part in me being able to kick smoking. It helped change the way I looked at my addiction. I kept repeating that line to myself when I craved.
Sometimes how an addiction is treated by the public affects how the addict treats her/his addiction personally. Quiting smoking was so very much easier than I thought it would be. Much easier than how I was told it would be. 3 days of hell, 3 weeks of being uncomfortable and then yer done.
Maybe if it was emphasized that addiction is a choice, one that an individual can stop choosing, rather than looking at addicts as victims, we would have more success in ending addiction??? I don't know if this would help others, but changing how I saw my habit made stopping easier. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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Why are Conservative types (in any country) so hostile to drugs and addicts? |
I don't know about that...Aren't many of them smokers and/or alcoholics? |
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cwemory
Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Location: Gunpo, Korea
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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Why are Conservative types (in any country) so hostile to drugs and addicts? |
I don't know about that...Aren't many of them smokers and/or alcoholics? |
I don't know about that as well. If the drugs are produced by their pharmaceutical company buddies, they're quite receptive of them. If the addict's a valium addicted soccer mom or her alcoholic husband, they're quite receptive of them too. |
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