|
Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
|
 Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:10 am Post subject: |
 |
|
| Quote: |
| The essence of a healthy, loving relationship is trade |
Objectivism is a steaming pile... |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Green Tea
Joined: 04 Nov 2006
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:16 am Post subject: |
|
|
Marriage is about children. Plain and simple.
In the old days the church didn't want people screwin' before marriage because they didn't want lots of illegitimate kids running around without a father. That's noble enough.
But ever since condoms, the pill, and all the others forms of birth control came along, people understand that the risk of unwanted pregnancy is low, and the human desire to copulate is ingrained in us all. Why listen to a bunch of nuts from the church who just want to keep alive the glory days of religion where they controlled society. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:50 pm Post subject: |
|
|
People interpret and re-write the Bible almost however they want. Case in point:
I have an oldish Catholic bible that I use for, well, only God knows what.
Anyway it uses the word 'sodomy' as a sin. "Thou shall not sodomize their neighbor," or something like that.
But, we have these frat and sonority groups practicing anal sex because their bible, the Texas Temperance Union for America - Bible" replaced the word 'sodomy' with "Homosexual."
Then, only homosexuality became a sin.
The Bible has become a manipulable tool for political use.
Or, in other words, Satan's got his hands in the pie. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
mnhnhyouh
Joined: 21 Nov 2006
Location: The Middle Kingdom
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:12 pm Post subject: |
|
|
As for rewriting the bible the lawyer Geoffery Robertson has a choice story. He was defending the Sex Pisols against charges resulting from the name of their album
Never Mind The Bullocks, Heres The Sex Pistols.
Robertson pointed out in court that the word "bullocks" was in the bible before the King James I bible. The King James I bible was "cleaned up" so "young ladies" could read it without offence. In the King James I bible the word Bullocks was replaced by the much more ambiguous "stones".
"At that point" said Robertson, "Mr. Johnny Rotten passed me a note that said, "It doesnt matter if we lose the case, we can always rename the album Never Mind The Stones, Heres The Sex Pistols"" 
I would never marry a virgin. They dont have enough experience.
h |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
waltjocketty
Joined: 09 Oct 2006
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:33 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Green Tea wrote: |
Marriage is about children. Plain and simple.
In the old days the church didn't want people screwin' before marriage because they didn't want lots of illegitimate kids running around without a father. That's noble enough.
But ever since condoms, the pill, and all the others forms of birth control came along, people understand that the risk of unwanted pregnancy is low, and the human desire to copulate is ingrained in us all. Why listen to a bunch of nuts from the church who just want to keep alive the glory days of religion where they controlled society. |
WRONG. If you've read Foucault, or if you study history, you know that marriage was created in order to prevent the royal blood lines from mixing with poor people and people who had "diseases" and sexual perversions such as homosexuality. It was a way of keeping old money in the lineages. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
|
| Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:40 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Cheonmunka wrote: |
People interpret and re-write the Bible almost however they want. Case in point:
I have an oldish Catholic bible that I use for, well, only God knows what.
Anyway it uses the word 'sodomy' as a sin. "Thou shall not sodomize their neighbor," or something like that.
But, we have these frat and sonority groups practicing anal sex because their bible, the Texas Temperance Union for America - Bible" replaced the word 'sodomy' with "Homosexual."
Then, only homosexuality became a sin.
The Bible has become a manipulable tool for political use.
Or, in other words, Satan's got his hands in the pie. |
Excellent post... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Paji eh Wong
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:19 am Post subject: |
|
|
Here's this thread. I hate it when I loose something interesting.
| ashishkebob wrote: |
Thanks for all the responses Statistically, couples who cohabitate before marriage, have a higher divorce rate. Why?
From an East-Indian background of arranged marriages, the divorce rate is much lower. Why?
From a modern view, divorces are alarmingly increasing. Does "sex before marriage" have any correlation to the success of life-long marriage? |
I just finished reading The Evolution of Desire: Strategies in Human Mating by David Buss. It's an OK book but there are better written ones out there.
Citing one cultural context as an example to emulate is a pretty shallow attempt at proving something. There are thousands of contexts that disagree with what you just said. A majority of world cultures are polygamous. An average Ache tribe member, from a pair bonding culture, will get married and divorced and average of 6 times. Divorce happens across time and across cultures. I'm no biblel scholar, I bet someone could cite some examples of biblical divorce that didn't end up with someone getting smited.
I think that the ideal of life long monogamy is fine for some people in some contexts, but it's really not something you can foist on everyone all the time, ie. Victorian England and the need for a literal act of freaking Parliment to get divorced. People's mating strategies are hugely affected by their social environment and the supply/demand ratio of potential mates. Buss mentioned that the sexually liberal social environment of the US in the 60's and 70's has as much to do with a sizable demographic surge amongst young women as it does with contraceptives.
I do think there is a lot of wisdom in conservative morality, which has begun to be supported by science. Things are they way they are for good reasons. But I also think that insisting on lifelong monogamy as timeless, absolute best practice is naive and robs humans of a lot of their potential to be happy, psychologically integrated beings.
If people are interested in this stuff, I recomend The Moral Animal by Robert Wright and Sex, Time, and Power by Leonard Shlain. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Zoobot
Joined: 25 Aug 2006
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 4:10 am Post subject: |
|
|
It's funny how King James I was queer as Elton John.
Oh yeah, and the stereotype of Victorian England as this era of sexual repression is a little flawed. I know of scholars whose specialty is studying Victorian Pornography (that managed to get published and circulated). There was some extremely kinky people then (as there always has been). The gap between what is law and what is actually punished in practice is sometimes wide. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:58 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
Thanks for all the responses Statistically, couples who cohabitate before marriage, have a higher divorce rate. Why?
|
You can't isolate one belief or practice from a person and assign it as the sole cause of another phenomenon as complex as divorce.
Does it not make sense that people who don't believe in co-habitating before marriage have a generally conservative mind-set that would also include strong prohibitions/inhibitions about divorce? There could be a significant amount of these types "sticking it out" in unhappy marriages and skewing the figures.
Conversely, people who co-habitate before marriage are likely to be more liberal in general, and more likely to say, "We seem unhappy, this isn't working, lets cut our losses and try to find real happiness with someone else". |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
|
| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:25 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| canuckistan wrote: |
Sure, but the way you make it sound is like men can't do the "unselfish giving" aspect of sex without the Jesus or marriage factor in their lives.
It's unfortunate you couldn't get to that "unselfish" place without the bible brainwashing--but getting there on your own would take a certa
in amount of self-awareness and emotional intelligence wouldn't it? |
Hiss.....was that your goose or cobra impersonation? How do I get you to purr like a kitten?
| Quote: |
| Also, has it never ocurred to you that women like having no-strings-attached sex just as much as men do? You make it sound like in the sex equation women are some sort of hapless, put-upon creatures victimized by perpetually horny men. Takes 2 to tango. Women can and do have sex with any guy they want and just walk away just as easily...smiling as well...with no intention of seeing Monsieur ever again, let alone marrying him. Nowadays, we call our own shots and are free to shag whom we want without getting labled, scorned....or married. |
Yeah, but it's a one way road to shagvilles dumps. Chances are you are going to get some sort of STD, end up with a broken life or both. Sex was created for intimacy, meaning and purpose. When we use it like a second hand car, then its going to break down. She isn't meant to be used for such insane conditions.
| Quote: |
| If you're getting each other pregnant as a result of NOT discussing birth control with each other, then you weren't paying attention in sex education 101 in high school and using birth control/ STD prevention methods---or your parents were too uptight/irresponsible to educate you about your body...and that isn't an unmarried sex/you-aren't-into-Jesus problem, that's a basic intelligence/lack of responsibility problem--yours and/or your parents. |
My girlfriend was on the pill when she got pregnant. The only 100 percent safety net is abstinence. There it is...that dirty word.  Self control in such a materialist society is a difficult thing to handle. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ashishkebob
Joined: 26 Mar 2006
|
| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:12 am Post subject: My two cents |
|
|
In my opinion, I would much rather fall in love with a girl, and enjoy sex, and build on that relationship forever. Of course its hard to imagine being with someone for 20 or more years, but I think it takes a lot of work, and sex gets better with time.
But people who have sex before marriage because they are truly in Love with one another, I don't think is something God minds, but since God created sex as something so special between two lovers, it shouldn't be a one night stand, or a 2 year stand, or even a 10 year relationship only to be ended. I think the emotional and psychological stress of tearing two people apart, after they have enjoyed being in love and physical intimacy is hard to go through.
I think God is a God of Love, and since he loves us so much, He doesn't want to see us give our hearts away and sleep with people in a non-committed relationship, where one party is going to be hurting when the relationship is over.
So I think Marriage is a great idea, and a good invention by society, to keep two people legally together, and those couples can find sex satisfying in a monogomous relationship, without problems of STD's. Marriage, I believe is a commitment and a decision to stay with another person, through thick and thin, with or without the euphoria of teenage love, because I believe Love is a decision.
That brings us to the current society and the moral degradation of our society today. In Korean society, married people satisfying themselves through Love motels, room salons, drinking and doing naughty things in the name of a drunken state seems to be commonplace.
In America, no one seems to stay in marriage any longer. Divorces are caused for many reasons, but I think one of the main ones is that people don't see the sanctity of marriage. In true Christianity, the only reason that a spouse should divorce is because of infidelity, through Jesus' reasoning. Of course there may be abusive people, "irreconcilable differences" mumbo jumbo, which is just an excuse to abandon your commitment. That's why dating is important. To find out how the person is before you marry them, so you don't marry an alcoholic abusive dead beat person.
In my opinion, I think its better to fall in love with one person, and have sex with them a million different ways, and develop a sexual intimacy over time, with love just growing over time.....than having a million lovers in one lifetime, yet not having commitment.
Whatever happened to those people who are honestly loving their spouses for their whole life? Marriage is nearing extinction. But marriage is God's idea for the most satisfying and happy life, for people, their family, and their physical and emotional health. God loves us so much, that he created marriage to make things work for our behalf.
God doesn't want to see us depressed over a boyfriend/girlfriend who broke our heart by cheating on us or whatever, he doesn't want to see us with some crazy STD on the hospital bed, he doesn't want to see us in a marriage started with love but ended in divorce because of "irreconcilable differences", left with child support, financial burdens, a broken home, or emotional pain from love lost.
God loves you and wants the best for you, so choose the best mate for you and start mating! God made sex for us to enjoy, so enjoy it to the fullest with the right person that God will provide for you! Thank God for sex! I think its one of Gods greatest gifts to us |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
