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Verser

Joined: 20 Nov 2006
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:15 am Post subject: |
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I think it's ok for anyone to be racist.
I dread the day when America--the Land of the Free--starts having laws on the book prohibiting hate-speech.
Free-speech is free-speech. People are free to hate whomever they wish. |
Saying that free speech is important ( I agree ) is not the same as saying it`s "ok" to be racist. What a confused little mind you have... |
I don't think that Satori means that racism specifically is an "ok" ideology. Rather, racism or any arbitrary belief like libertarianism, socialism, etc. should be protected on the sole rationalization that free-speech covers all opinions and preferences. Satori believes that to prohibit certain ideas, based simply on public distate, is essentially un-American.
I'd have to agree, if that's what Satori means. |
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Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Location: Above it all
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:18 am Post subject: |
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| Verser wrote: |
| Satori wrote: |
| otis wrote: |
I think it's ok for anyone to be racist.
I dread the day when America--the Land of the Free--starts having laws on the book prohibiting hate-speech.
Free-speech is free-speech. People are free to hate whomever they wish. |
Saying that free speech is important ( I agree ) is not the same as saying it`s "ok" to be racist. What a confused little mind you have... |
I don't think that Satori means that racism specifically is an "ok" ideology. Rather, racism or any arbitrary belief like libertarianism, socialism, etc. should be protected on the sole rationalization that free-speech covers all opinions and preferences. She believes that to prohibit certain ideas, based simply on public distate, is essentially un-American. |
Satori ( me ) is a "he" and I think you meant to say "Otis" anyway.
Of course the right to free speech and the right to hold unpopular opinions is an imortant part of the American concept of freedom of speech and so on. That`s on a legal side. Im talking morally, I don`t think it`s "ok" as in kosher, no problem, not a bad thing, to be racist. |
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The Hammer
Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Ullungdo 37.5 N, 130.9 E, altitude : 223 m
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| The thing that surprised me is that nobody in that room challenged the man for making racists comments. They let him drone on and on. I would have liked for someone to have taken a stand against him. Instead he was applauded. |
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cbclark4

Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Location: Masan
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:16 am Post subject: |
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The previous reply was brought to you by the "National Association of Shock Therapists"
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=71653&highlight=
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| There is some argument that European colonialists carved up Africa to create conflict.. meaning French here.. British here.. in such a way that tribes and cultures of people were cut in half and divided in such a way that created enough conflict for that colonial power to keep the power/control. |
I don't think so. The black Africans have ruined that continent ALL BY THEMSELVES. If you wanted to restrict your examples to non-African ones, there are PLENTY of places that black people have put their hands into the government and RUINED IT. Haiti. Detroit, MI. East St. Louis, IL. Riverdale, IL. Washington Park, IL. Inkster, MI.
And we haven't even gotten to the West Coast of the States (and that's because I have never lived there). If you travel all over the States, you will find NOT ONE example of some place where Whites have moved into a neighborhood and caused a mass exodus of blacks and a collapse. But the opposite situation is commonplace. It happens *all the time.* In fact, I think Malcolm Gladwell calculated that when a neighborhood becomes about 20% black that's when "White Flight" occurs.
The story of Detroit is an interesting one. (But too long to get into here.) Suffice it to say, that the stupid black people there have elected one idiot after another. Recently, the RE-elected a person who was *caught in the papers* misappropriating city funds (giving his cousin the city credit card and buying his wife an SUV with city funds). WTF?
Murray and Herrnstein ("The Bell Curve") can write books that talk about the innate stupidity of black people and experts can rebut them, but when you see situations like Detroit (and every other city that black people have ruined), you are left fumbling for words. Thank God for people like Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice.
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| The thing that surprised me is that nobody in that room challenged the man for making racists comments. They let him drone on and on. I would have liked for someone to have taken a stand against him. Instead he was applauded. |
Could there have been so many stupid black people so far gone that they didn't have sense enough to know when someone was talking nonsense? |
Before taking the above quote seriously please do a search on the authors previous deleterious posts.
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corroonb
Joined: 04 Aug 2006
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:55 am Post subject: |
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| The previous reply was brought to you by the "National Association of Shock Therapists" |
He certainly shocked me. |
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Keepongoing
Joined: 13 Feb 2003 Location: Korea
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:52 pm Post subject: what happenned to |
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| whatever hapenned to Louis Farrakhan? He was so verbal during Clinton's administration, but I have heard nothing of him in Bushies time |
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Zoidberg

Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Location: Somewhere too hot for my delicate marine constitution
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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That guy sounded like a steaming butthole. I can't believe that someone actually wasted the time to consider his statement as something that was made by someone that was sober/ of functioning intelligence.
Haven't we heard that threadbare argument thrashed out TIME AND TIME AGAIN by the Nation of Islam? How well does it square against empirical reality?
What black people (this quoted person included) don't seem to realize is that self-determination may in fact be black people's worst enemy. EVERY SINGLE TIME that black people have been allowed to run their own government, the result has been chaos. EVERY SINGLE GOVERNMENT on the African continent that went for independence has a lower GDP per capita than ones that are still subjects of the British Monarch.
At no point during the time that South Africa was run by the Boers was the HIV rate as high as it is this very afternoon-- and that is after the BLACK president of South Africa (at the time) spent years denying a link between HIV and AIDS. So tell me, on balance, who has killed more black people (per unit of space-time)? |
Developed a nice bit of self hate have you? That's nice. |
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manlyboy

Joined: 01 Aug 2004 Location: Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| It's OK for a black man to be racist. But only if he's blind and thinks he is white. Then it's really funny. |
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mack the knife

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: standing right behind you...
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:15 am Post subject: |
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First, of all, to call someone a racist you have to believe that "races" exist.
The idea of "race" has become passe in this global world where one sees mixed children in almost every society. Add to that the fact that many groups have never fallen easily into the typical race stereotypes based on phenotype, the linchpin of racial demographics, (e.g. Brazilians, Arabs, North Africans, African-Americans and Carribean Americans of mixed descent, so-called Eurasians, etc.).
If one wishes to go out and kill "whitey", must one also kill all North Africans, who have been copulating with "whitey" for millennia (see: Egypt, Cleopatra, Caesar, etc.). What about central Asians? Does their epicanthal fold exclude them? |
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Ramones

Joined: 23 Oct 2006 Location: In Hell in my own mind...
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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I am not a racist and never thought of this issue before...
So i think the White people have to take a proactive approach to what this black man just did - wage war on Whites.
So I urge all Whites to arm themselves and start to protect themselves and the White World. Maybe the Whites have to take this threat seriousely and eleminate the black threat. |
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Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Location: Above it all
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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I took a Maori Studies course and one lecturer was seriously putting forward the idea that we need a seperate Maori police force to deal with Maori criminals. Actually that was just part of her thesis that Maori needed to live COMPLETELY seperately in every concievable way, from govt, schools, areas, police, work, everything.
I went up to her after the lecture and said "What if my house is being burgled by a mixed group with some Pakaha and some Maori, who do I call?". She didn't seem to like that very much... |
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stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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The OP poses a rhetorical question. Racism abounds among blacks and is usually directed at other minorities.
Many moons ago, I was an inner city high school English teacher--by choice. I also lived in the black community (re: African American) for more than a decade.
And I can truly say, although it's not PC, that the greatest threat to the black community today is the black community itself, sadly enough, especially the disintegration of the family. And that doesn't include the staggering statistics of black-on-black violent crime.
Any other cited reason is a desperate search for a scapegoat.
The Nation of Islam has correctly identified much of what ails this community but their anti-Semitic, paranoid rhetoric and separatist solutions are wacked.
Don't get me going on this topic. |
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mack the knife

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: standing right behind you...
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| that the greatest threat to the black community today is the black community itself, sadly enough, especially the disintegration of the family. And that doesn't include the staggering statistics of black-on-black violent crime |
The "disintegration" of families can be seen across the board. 37% of all babies born in the States last year were to unwed mothers, many of whom chose that route.
"The increase in births to unwed mothers was seen in all racial groups, but rose most sharply among hispanics....the teen birthrate actually dropped last year." (AP)
"59% of all first-born French children were born to unwed parents, most by choice, not chance." (AP)
So, it's not a black thang.
As for the black-on-black violence, that stems from (a) poverty (b) drug related crimes and (c) easy access to illegal firearms (which are hard to trace as opposed to those bought through legal channels). |
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stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:14 am Post subject: |
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Mack,
Have you been hit by a Mack truck?
First off, I was referring only to American society. What the French do is their business, and I don't care if they degenerate. Tolerate more Algerian immigration and they will soon enough anyway.
Second, if those societal factors are the cause of black family woes, why was the black family more intact before the civil rights era? Sorry, doesn't wash. I know Al Sharpton preaches this crap, but most of us know he's an ambulance chaser and a consummate liar.
Yeah, the Latino birth rate in this category is up but I'll bet my last nickle more of the fathers stick around. The crisis in the black community is first and foremost a problem with black men stepping up to the plate.
In the 2000 Census, 72% of all black children were born out of wedlock and only two-thirds of all households were headed by a single female. This despite the fact that for the first time in history the majority of blacks live well above the poverty line. There are more whites than blacks in poverty, although not as a percentage.
There are fewer black men graduating from four-year colleges now than two decades ago; the enrollment of blacks (despite affirmative action) would have declined in absolute numbers, too, if not for the increased enrollment of black females who, by the way, are finding it harder to locate eligible, educated, responsible black men to date and marry. Even Oprah knows that.
Other racial and ethnic groups are just as vulnerable to the trade in illegal firearms but the incarceration and probationary rate for young black men is much higher. Blaming the jury pool isn't going to account for this huge disparity despite your wishful thinking to the contrary.
So stop drinking that Colt 45 and sober up long enough to examine the sobering stats. It's no coincidence that increasing numbers of REAL black leaders are lamenting the breakdown in morality in the black community--a morality which was once paramount when the Southern Black Baptist Convention still held sway. |
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The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 7:49 am Post subject: |
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Racism is bad no matter who is spouting it. The great thing about a free society with open exchange of ideas is that idiocy can be countered with non-idiocy ... and tghis is we work so hard to have and keep a free society with an open exchange of ideas.
Let racists, and all manner of intolerant types talk all they want - as long as the rest of us keep up our part of things and shoot them down rhetorically when the need arises. |
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