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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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 Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| happeningthang wrote: |
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My reputation. Are you that much of a lonely nerd that you concern yourself with your eslcafe reputation?
And I'm not "right", but a libertarian.
Either way, my point wasn't to attack Sarte. Had you read along (maybe you were dreaming about childrens cartoons..) you would have found my purpose for bringing it up.
Step slammed Friedman, without knowing the first thing about the man. He did this cause this is what his lefty profs and such told him to do. And they hid from him the abject failure that are the ideas of the left. So, Friedman bad, even though he helped create the only weathly-ish state in LA and the collection of lefty fools that still get "taught" are sill good. I've pointed out to him the nonsense that was some of his "education" and I'm sure he will reflect upon that while trying to fall asleep tonight. But, to be sure, he will have a stiff upper lip on this site, not wanting to ruin his eslcafe reputation and all. |
I'm not that concerned with your reputation BJWD, rather I mentioned your credibility was in question. That is, as someone who makes up facts, and offers no argument to support his 'plucked from air' statements is perhaps, someone who is unconvincing, and not to be believed.
But by all means...respond with insults and sneers, that passes for reasonable debate all the time. |
My reputation, eh?
Ok, then, the Donga.com on my "conspiracy theories".
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It was confirmed on November 26 that among the documents found at Jang Min-ho�s residence, the name of a Cheong Wa Dae secretary in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and National Security, was brought up several times. Jang, the key member of the �Ilsimhoe� spy case, was arrested by the National Intelligence Service on charges of involvement with student activists.
In accordance to this, the Public Security Department is reviewing ways to summon the presidential secretary as a reference and investigate how his name ended up in reports to the North Korea.
A public security official stated, �Secretary �A� worked as a student activist before with Sohn Jung-mok (42), who was recently placed under the arrest. As matters stand, Jang has sent a lot of information to North Korea based on Son�s statement which he attained through Secretary A.�
So far there is no evidence of proof that Secretary �A� was directly drawn over to Mr. Jang�s side. However, we cannot rule out the possibility that Mr. Son targeted Secretary �A� and intentionally approached him in a bid to persuade him to join Ilsimhoe.
Secretary �A� was arrested in the U.S. Cultural Center illegal occupation strike case in 1985 along with Mr. Son and Lee Jung-hoon (43).
Mr. Son, who had visited the same high school as Jang, joined Jang afterwards and was arrested on suspicion of having entered North Korea.
In addition, the public security department assumes that the reports which Jang sent to North Korea include top secrets directly connected to national security. Hence, officials are under a secret investigation whether Secretary �A� was the source of this information.
However, the public security officials reportedly has yet to confirm whether secretary �A� supported them, being well aware of the intentions of Mr. Son or whether he met him due to private issues without knowing anything.
An official said, �Even though this conversation took place at an internal meeting, he may face punishment if state secret information was involved.�
Secretary A previously worked at the National Security Council (NSC) when the current government took office and was nominated as the secretary of Foreign Affairs and National security at the presidential office this February |
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http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2006112754218 |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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Well done. I give specific examples of how the neo-liberal policies he advocated have not worked and you accuse me of straw man. I've studied his work, i don't know how many times i must repeat it. I find it particularly odious his notion of what a moral CEO represents, as its completely stripped from actual morality, the landbase, etc...
Unfortunately, i think due to the overarchign conflict of his time b/w the US and the USSR, he assumed that large social services and other forms of beaurocracy were an impediment to individual liberties. If anything, social services can be a guarentee of positive rights, something I think Mr. Freidman failed to recognize.
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To be fair to Mr Friedman, he did (at least according to some people I was chatting with from the economics department) start to swing away from his position in the years before his death, realising that a lot of what he advocated had been very harmful. Interesting. |
He did believe that, and never changed his mind. Up to the week of his death he was still giving interviews on this very topic. He never rejected the notion that the welfare state was a 'road to serfdom', as described by Hayek and frequently pointed to the Orwellian nightmare that is present-day England as an example of things to come.
And, it is a simple idea. Socialism, and socialist institutions (such as public schooling, public health care and the like) cause the "personal" to become "political". The sovereign choices of the individual are now the concerns of society and his actions will be restricted as such.
If you want some real education, bb, you ought to read "The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek. He outlines quite well how seemingly mundane and kind social programs can lead to tyranny. |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| happeningthang wrote: |
I'm not that concerned with your reputation BJWD, rather I mentioned your credibility was in question. That is, as someone who makes up facts, and offers no argument to support his 'plucked from air' statements is perhaps, someone who is unconvincing, and not to be believed.
But by all means...respond with insults and sneers, that passes for reasonable debate all the time. |
My reputation, eh?
Ok, then, the Donga.com on my "conspiracy theories".
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It was confirmed on November 26 that among the documents found at Jang Min-ho�s residence, the name of a Cheong Wa Dae secretary in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and National Security, was brought up several times. Jang, the key member of the �Ilsimhoe� spy case, was arrested by the National Intelligence Service on charges of involvement with student activists.
In accordance to this, the Public Security Department is reviewing ways to summon the presidential secretary as a reference and investigate how his name ended up in reports to the North Korea.
A public security official stated, �Secretary �A� worked as a student activist before with Sohn Jung-mok (42), who was recently placed under the arrest. As matters stand, Jang has sent a lot of information to North Korea based on Son�s statement which he attained through Secretary A.�
So far there is no evidence of proof that Secretary �A� was directly drawn over to Mr. Jang�s side. However, we cannot rule out the possibility that Mr. Son targeted Secretary �A� and intentionally approached him in a bid to persuade him to join Ilsimhoe.
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2006112754218 |
OK. Fair enough. It's a lot better than the conspicuous void on offer previously...Still, it's a long way from:
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Roh leads a government infected by NK agents. From the time of their democracy movement being funded by the Norks till today.
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Now back up your insinuations about Sartre... |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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They aren't insinuations. Sarte directly facilitated the birth of the KR. Their ideas were his ideas, and he openly supported them. This is why they are called "Sarte's Children" by those who don't have a need to hide the intellectual origins of that nightmare. You can find the references yourself as they are varied and plentiful.
Roh is sitting on a festering cesspool of NK agents and sympathizers. Which, if you know about the "386 generation", his only source of support, is totally unsurprising. Maybe this is one of the reasons why he has an 8% approval rating. Even the sane elements of the insane 386'ers are loosing faith in him. But, I think that no matter what evidence is given to you, no matter how high up the spies are found, you won't believe it. So, off you go on your own research mission. |
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