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postfundie
Joined: 28 May 2004
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DEV,
sorry but putting the nazi symbol up for starbucks is just beeping pathetic....I worked for a coffee import guy in Madrid and he told me that starbucks contracts are always sought after by poor farmers...he also said that starbucks was doing a number of good things like offering more money to poor farmers if they washed the coffee at a certain distance from the river inorder not to pollute it..al Howard Schultz has done a lot to promote better business practices.....but then again they ARE green nazis |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:57 am Post subject: |
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| crazylemongirl wrote: |
Oh dear god someone buys something then sells it at a profit... it's called CAPTIALISM.
Out of all the multinationals I'll never understand why stupid hippies go after Starbucks. The company pays more in insurance than it does in coffee beans and also pays above market price. And while a dollar a day might seem like nothing, I keep being told it feeds a starving child in Africa. Go back to your cave and much on some tofu. |
I don't see turning a fair buck as being a problem. Greed-head GOUGING meanwhile is another story.
What is the JUST PRICE? |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Dev wrote: |
Thanks that's exactly the point I wanted to make. Starsucks is successful enough and has a secure enough position in the coffee market to be a little more generous to the coffee farmers, but instead just wants to keep them in poverty. Instead of doing something good for the less fortunate of the world, all they want to do is make more money and open more shops. This also makes it difficult for Mom & Pop coffee shops to open up in new markets like China. We might see the day when every poor soul that serves coffee with be serving Starsucks coffee. They should change their logo to this: |
starbucks wants to keep them in poverty? not caring enough to help someone out of poverty is different than wanting to keep them in poverty. starbucks is a business. the business of businesses is to make money. they lower they can buy materials and the higher they can sell their end products, the more money they can make. that's how the game is played. to do otherwise would be considered irresponsible by one's shareholders, as would putting a swastika on thier logo, which i suspect is why they don't do that.
honestly, if you knew of a little shop that sold item X for 5000 won, and you knew of a huge number of people somewhere else who were absolutely dying to get their hands on item X, and were willing to pay 50,000 won for it, would you not take advantage of that situation? i would. does that make me a nazi? |
Guys, Starsucks is trying to prevent the Ethiopians from asking for a fairer price for their coffee. Please read the article and then comment. |
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JeJuJitsu
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
Location: McDonald's
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Dev wrote: |
| crazylemongirl wrote: |
Oh dear god someone buys something then sells it at a profit... it's called CAPTIALISM.
Out of all the multinationals I'll never understand why stupid hippies go after Starbucks. The company pays more in insurance than it does in coffee beans and also pays above market price. And while a dollar a day might seem like nothing, I keep being told it feeds a starving child in Africa. Go back to your cave and much on some tofu. |
You call it capitalism. I call it disgusting greed. Most of these big companies treat both their suppliers and end customers like whores. For example: Make a Lacoste shirt in Peru for $4 and then turn around and sell it to people brainwashed by advertising for $80.
Now knowing that Starsucks pays only $1 a pound for beans, you can guess that their cost to make a latte for you is probably less than a dollar (including salaries and overhead). And you've just paid $4. How does it feel to know that you've been ripped off? 
Worse still is that the president of Starsucks is going to Ethiopia himself to try to talk the coffee suppliers out of seeking a trademark for their coffee (which would yield a fairer price for their beans). It's too bad the poor Africans don't have the business capital to build their own coffee shops around the world and leave Starsucks out in the cold. That would be real justice. |
You're just artarded. |
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JeJuJitsu
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
Location: McDonald's
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| endofthewor1d wrote: |
| Dev wrote: |
| Thanks that's exactly the point I wanted to make. Starsucks is successful enough and has a secure enough position in the coffee market to be a little more generous to the coffee farmers, but instead just wants to keep them in poverty. Instead of doing something good for the less fortunate of the world, all they want to do is make more money and open more shops. This also makes it difficult for Mom & Pop coffee shops to open up in new markets like China. We might see the day when every poor soul that serves coffee with be serving Starsucks coffee. They should change their logo to this: |
starbucks wants to keep them in poverty? not caring enough to help someone out of poverty is different than wanting to keep them in poverty. starbucks is a business. the business of businesses is to make money. they lower they can buy materials and the higher they can sell their end products, the more money they can make. that's how the game is played. to do otherwise would be considered irresponsible by one's shareholders, as would putting a swastika on thier logo, which i suspect is why they don't do that.
honestly, if you knew of a little shop that sold item X for 5000 won, and you knew of a huge number of people somewhere else who were absolutely dying to get their hands on item X, and were willing to pay 50,000 won for it, would you not take advantage of that situation? i would. does that make me a nazi? |
Maybe Starbucks pay $1 per pound, but probably sell several tons of coffee beans, potentially millions of $.
I have a Swedish pal with land in Brazil, and he gets about 30 cents/kilo of fruit harvested. He makes several hundred thousand dollars a year from his venture. Yes, he has many many thousands of kilos being harvested each year.
Got it, art? |
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crazylemongirl
Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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Dev your only answer to why you hate Starbucks seems to be that it was successful at making money. Oh perish the thought.
Just out of interest did you pay fair price for each item of clothing you own, food you consume, and electronic item you used? Didn't think so. Oh btw did you ever work in a Hogwon where you were making far more than the Korean teacher for working a lot less?
We are all guilty.
Now I know you like to pretend you are making a huge difference in the world by flying the green swastika on Dave's, but here's what I suggest: take your money and go to a third world country of your choice (there are many I hear) donate your money to a charity of your choice and teach english at what the locals would consider 'fair price' and make a real difference.
The truth is that everyone of us on this message board is obsecnly wealthy by global standards. But given the choice between actually doing something to better humanity or having our creature comforts we'll take the creature comforts.
But you sip that free tade coffee if it makes you feel better. |
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endofthewor1d
Joined: 01 Apr 2003
Location: the end of the wor1d.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| JeJuJitsu wrote: |
| endofthewor1d wrote: |
| Dev wrote: |
| Thanks that's exactly the point I wanted to make. Starsucks is successful enough and has a secure enough position in the coffee market to be a little more generous to the coffee farmers, but instead just wants to keep them in poverty. Instead of doing something good for the less fortunate of the world, all they want to do is make more money and open more shops. This also makes it difficult for Mom & Pop coffee shops to open up in new markets like China. We might see the day when every poor soul that serves coffee with be serving Starsucks coffee. They should change their logo to this: |
starbucks wants to keep them in poverty? not caring enough to help someone out of poverty is different than wanting to keep them in poverty. starbucks is a business. the business of businesses is to make money. they lower they can buy materials and the higher they can sell their end products, the more money they can make. that's how the game is played. to do otherwise would be considered irresponsible by one's shareholders, as would putting a swastika on thier logo, which i suspect is why they don't do that.
honestly, if you knew of a little shop that sold item X for 5000 won, and you knew of a huge number of people somewhere else who were absolutely dying to get their hands on item X, and were willing to pay 50,000 won for it, would you not take advantage of that situation? i would. does that make me a nazi? |
Maybe Starbucks pay $1 per pound, but probably sell several tons of coffee beans, potentially millions of $.
I have a Swedish pal with land in Brazil, and he gets about 30 cents/kilo of fruit harvested. He makes several hundred thousand dollars a year from his venture. Yes, he has many many thousands of kilos being harvested each year.
Got it, art? |
dude... who are you calling art? (where did artard come from anyway?) if you read my post again, i think you'll find we're on the same side of this argument. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| One other thing the op is ignoring is the influence of Starbucks in promoting coffee culture where there was none before, in places like Korea where the only thing to drink before was dabang-style wondu gross 'coffee'. Without Starbucks there's a good chance that its introduction would have been delayed, and thus the market wouldn't have been as large as it is now. |
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JeJuJitsu
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
Location: McDonald's
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| endofthewor1d wrote: |
| JeJuJitsu wrote: |
| endofthewor1d wrote: |
| Dev wrote: |
| Thanks that's exactly the point I wanted to make. Starsucks is successful enough and has a secure enough position in the coffee market to be a little more generous to the coffee farmers, but instead just wants to keep them in poverty. Instead of doing something good for the less fortunate of the world, all they want to do is make more money and open more shops. This also makes it difficult for Mom & Pop coffee shops to open up in new markets like China. We might see the day when every poor soul that serves coffee with be serving Starsucks coffee. They should change their logo to this: |
starbucks wants to keep them in poverty? not caring enough to help someone out of poverty is different than wanting to keep them in poverty. starbucks is a business. the business of businesses is to make money. they lower they can buy materials and the higher they can sell their end products, the more money they can make. that's how the game is played. to do otherwise would be considered irresponsible by one's shareholders, as would putting a swastika on thier logo, which i suspect is why they don't do that.
honestly, if you knew of a little shop that sold item X for 5000 won, and you knew of a huge number of people somewhere else who were absolutely dying to get their hands on item X, and were willing to pay 50,000 won for it, would you not take advantage of that situation? i would. does that make me a nazi? |
Maybe Starbucks pay $1 per pound, but probably sell several tons of coffee beans, potentially millions of $.
I have a Swedish pal with land in Brazil, and he gets about 30 cents/kilo of fruit harvested. He makes several hundred thousand dollars a year from his venture. Yes, he has many many thousands of kilos being harvested each year.
Got it, art? |
dude... who are you calling art? (where did artard come from anyway?) if you read my post again, i think you'll find we're on the same side of this argument. |
My bad--meant to quote Dev. |
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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Where did artard come from?
(Side note, I have it on good word that the first person to utilize the word "artard" on this website fully endorses its use in response to this gnome's posts. Cheers. ^^) |
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JeJuJitsu
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
Location: McDonald's
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| flotsam wrote: |
Where did artard come from?
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You. Then someone else used it in bold quotation marks, in another thread (making fun of you), and since I call people on their retardedness all the time, I have decided to promote it.
Wikipedia entry and entry in the Urban Dictionary to come (after lunch). |
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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Oh...you think you're SOOOOO clever with your "facts" and shit, don't you? As if because I was the first one to use it on the board that makes me the first one to use it on the board. 
Just you wait. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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Starbucks buys Ethiopian coffee as cheap as they can? Wow! You know, if I owned stock in a company, I would try any way possible to MAKE LESS MONEY! But, you know, that's just me. I would vote for my company to buy goods at the most expensive price possible, because, as an investor, I'm not looking for return on investment. I'm looking to help others. 
Dear Idealists,
You want to help the world? Make a billion dollars (Which is impossible without exploiting someone) and buy a company. Run it into the ground saving the world, and then do it again and again until the world is saved. |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
| One other thing the op is ignoring is the influence of Starbucks in promoting coffee culture where there was none before, in places like Korea where the only thing to drink before was dabang-style wondu gross 'coffee'. Without Starbucks there's a good chance that its introduction would have been delayed, and thus the market wouldn't have been as large as it is now. |
You've gone off onto another topic - coffee culture instead of addressing Starsucks current row with Ethiopia.
But on this topic, Starsucks hasn't helped that much in Korea. Koreans still drink that instant garbege at home and seem to think that only professional baristas can prepare a real cup of coffee. Starsucks has thus added a "snob value" to coffee - hardly a great contribution to the enjoyment of coffee consumption. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| But on this topic, Starsucks hasn't helped that much in Korea. Koreans still drink that instant garbege at home and seem to think that only professional baristas can prepare a real cup of coffee. |
a - How is that back on topic?
b - What happens to the bags of coffee sold at Starbucks, Homeplus, etc.? |
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