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cbclark4
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Here's the policy for NYPD:
"The department's policy prohibits shooting at moving vehicles states "unless deadly force is being used against the police officers or another person present, by means other than a moving vehicle.""
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-11-27-police-shooting-groom_x.htm
This playing field ain't level. A person can ram you with their car and you can't respond with equal force. You must be dead before you can return fire.
Can you imagine being a cop in NY the rules are against you to start.
God bless the NYPD.
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| NAVFC wrote: |
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If you fire a weapon shoot to kill.
Period.
Never point a weapon a something you don't intend to kill!
Exclaimation!
At close range first shot to the head next two center mass, repeat if necessary.
cbc |
This is so far fetched its not even funny. unless it is war it is NOT SHOOT TO KILL.
It is shoot to stop.
If I have to shoot someone I shoot until they stop. If one bullet strikes them, and they go down, I stop shooting. If they are still alive, but incapacitated on the ground, I dont shoot them further to kill them.
This is all part of what is known as the deadly force continum, taught to members of the US military who stand armed watches. |
In the scenario above it is hoped that the target will be down when the shooting is complete. Every shot is deadly, potentially. Of course once down the shooting should cease. The 1-2-3 shot method is effective and if properly discharged at maximum firing rate, i don't think gravity can keep up with the maximum firing rate.
I don't trust the stopping power of a single 9mil round.
cbc
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Thank god you're not a cop then... |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| cbclark4 wrote: |
Here's the policy for NYPD:
"The department's policy prohibits shooting at moving vehicles states "unless deadly force is being used against the police officers or another person present, by means other than a moving vehicle.""
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-11-27-police-shooting-groom_x.htm
This playing field ain't level. A person can ram you with their car and you can't respond with equal force. You must be dead before you can return fire.
Can you imagine being a cop in NY the rules are against you to start.
God bless the NYPD.
cbc |
It is indeed an extremely hard and challenging job to do well. But sticking to those standards is one of the things that makes America great. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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I still stand by all I said, above. However...
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| The department's policy prohibits shooting at moving vehicles states "unless deadly force is being used against the police officers or another person present, by means other than a moving vehicle." |
...there is a pretty glaring red-light flashing as I see what I initially believed is confirmed. These officers and the dept. face an uphill battle in explaining this shooting. |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:00 am Post subject: |
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Inexplicable? How about "half-c-o-c-k-ed" cops wired on bad drugs?
New York Mayor Calls Shooting 'Inexplicable'
NEW YORK (AFP) - New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg expressed shock over the shooting death of an unarmed bridegroom by five police officers as he sought to defuse mounting anger over the incident.
"It is to me unacceptable or inexplicable how you can have 50-odd shots fired but that's up to the investigation to find out what really happened," Bloomberg told reporters after meeting Queens borough officials and activists.
"We assured them that we are going to conduct a thorough investigation," the mayor added.
Sean Bell, 23, was killed hours before his wedding early Saturday as he was leaving a Queens nightclub that was being staked out by police.
The young African-American came under a barrage of fire, with undercover police firing some 50 shots at the group of revelers. Two friends of his future wife also were wounded, one of them critically.
The circumstances of the incident remained unclear, but press reports said the first police officer opened fire believing the group was armed, inciting his colleagues to do the same. Preliminary findings, however, indicate the three victims carried no weapons.
The shooting touched off a demonstration on Sunday by hundreds of people in Queens angry at what they see is a repetition of the 1999 death in Bronx of African immigrant Amadou Diallo, shot 41 times by cops who thought he was reaching for a gun and not his wallet.
"How many shots?" the black community's famous Reverend Al Sharpton asked at a rally in Queens. "Fifty," shouted back the crowd.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/061128/world/us_shooting_police_sched_lead |
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Smee
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Satori wrote: |
| cbclark4 wrote: |
If you fire a weapon shoot to kill.
Period.
Never point a weapon a something you don't intend to kill!
Exclaimation!
At close range first shot to the head next two center mass, repeat if necessary.
cbc |
Are you giving advice to a civilian or a cop? That is not police protocol by the way. There are situations where a cop draws and aims a weapon but does not have a go ahead to fire. |
Yes, and cops don't always shoot to kill. Like NAVFC was saying, they shoot to stop. For example, they are taught to aim for the lower abdomen if they think it is sufficient to eliminate the threat (bullet breaks the hip bone, which incapacitates the target in a non letal manner). Soldiers are the ones who are taught to shoot to kill by shooting for the centre of the chest or the head (depending on the weapon used and the soldier's level of training). |
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Hollywoodaction
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At least he has the presence of mind of saying he will wait until all the facts are known before passing judgement. Activists and professional rabble-rousers could learn a thing or two from him. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:37 am Post subject: |
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| Any news on this investigation? |
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