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ella



Joined: 17 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:33 pm    Post subject: How private (or not) are your non-working hours? Reply with quote

I keep reading posts about bosses showing up at your apartment or calling you during non-work hours. Is this typical? What happens if you just ignore it?
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JeJuJitsu



Joined: 11 Sep 2005
Location: McDonald's

PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:44 pm    Post subject: Re: How private (or not) are your non-working hours? Reply with quote

ella wrote:
I keep reading posts about bosses showing up at your apartment or calling you during non-work hours. Is this typical? What happens if you just ignore it?


You'll notice the "front" disappear. No more ear to ear grins, and out-streched arms while calling your name, as they run and fumble to get you an instant coffee.

If you completely ignore them, and express independence, it makes them mad, because confident teachers are more likely to leave their situation before the "rip-off" phase of their Hagwon term gets too out of hand...whereas the obsequious, self-doubting teachers are the ones Hagwon owners love, as they are the ones that can be ripped-off and ill-treated much easier, for much longer.
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ChuckECheese



Joined: 20 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:12 pm    Post subject: Re: How private (or not) are your non-working hours? Reply with quote

JeJuJitsu wrote:
ella wrote:
I keep reading posts about bosses showing up at your apartment or calling you during non-work hours. Is this typical? What happens if you just ignore it?


You'll notice the "front" disappear. No more ear to ear grins, and out-streched arms while calling your name, as they run and fumble to get you an instant coffee.

If you completely ignore them, and express independence, it makes them mad, because confident teachers are more likely to leave their situation before the "rip-off" phase of their Hagwon term gets too out of hand...whereas the obsequious, self-doubting teachers are the ones Hagwon owners love, as they are the ones that can be ripped-off and ill-treated much easier, for much longer.


Haha! You hit it right on the spot Jujitsu.

I couldn't agree with you more. Hagwon owners serving tea and coffee while trying to screw you.

Accept false kindness, but must stay alert and refuse screwing. Laughing
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jlb



Joined: 18 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had it both ways.

At my first hagwon, the owners appeared to have no life outside the hagwon and so depended on it (and the employees) to meet all their needs. They were constantly harrassing us to go out for dinner, having meetings on Saturdays, organizing school trips. It would have been okay if the place had been decent to work at but everyone, including the Korean teachers hated it. It was so stressful and there was a very bad vibe going on, originating with the owners. Eventually the other foreigner and I just refused to do all this stuff outside working hours and the boss was not happy about it at all.

Also, I would get these phone calls from my boss at least once a week. When I took a sick day, they were constantly harrassing me, despite me being obviously sick. They would come to my apartment sometimes to bring me "gifts."

But at the hagwon I'm currently at: in 4 months, we've had one school dinner with no more on the horizon. I have never had a phone call or visit from my boss, or a private meeting. I'm pretty much free to live my life and they're happy as long as I show up on time and treat the kids okay. It's nice.
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Darkness



Joined: 12 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone seems to be so negitive on this board. My bosses have taken me out twice for food, and stopped by my apt twice, once to drop off a rice cooker and some dishes, and another time to drop off a comforter and a table. Other then that they dont bother me at home at all, unless they need something.

I think I really lucked out with my hagwon....but it's only been a couple weeks. But if I keep positive it'll help!!
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:34 pm    Post subject: Re: How private (or not) are your non-working hours? Reply with quote

ChuckECheese wrote:
JeJuJitsu wrote:
ella wrote:
I keep reading posts about bosses showing up at your apartment or calling you during non-work hours. Is this typical? What happens if you just ignore it?


You'll notice the "front" disappear. No more ear to ear grins, and out-streched arms while calling your name, as they run and fumble to get you an instant coffee.

If you completely ignore them, and express independence, it makes them mad, because confident teachers are more likely to leave their situation before the "rip-off" phase of their Hagwon term gets too out of hand...whereas the obsequious, self-doubting teachers are the ones Hagwon owners love, as they are the ones that can be ripped-off and ill-treated much easier, for much longer.


Haha! You hit it right on the spot Jujitsu.

I couldn't agree with you more. Hagwon owners serving tea and coffee while trying to screw you.

Accept false kindness, but must stay alert and refuse screwing. Laughing


Spot on for sure.

However, if you really want your life to be everyone's business you should try being the only FT at a small town high school.
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ella



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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they dont bother me at home at all, unless they need something.

What do they need from you while you're at home?
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ChuckECheese



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darkness wrote:
.....Other then that they dont bother me at home at all, unless they need something.

I think I really lucked out with my hagwon....but it's only been a couple weeks. But if I keep positive it'll help!!


Haha! That's what my boss did in the beginning. Then they start calling me and asking me to come little early or stay little late to do some level testing for new students. I did a few times to help them out, but they were getting use to it so I told them "No pay? No Test!"

The niceness kinda stopped after that but they're still semi-nice Laughing

I think most of our point is that you'll get screwed only if you let them.
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ella



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So simply ignoring/refusing, from the start, is the way to go?
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babtangee



Joined: 18 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ella wrote:
So simply ignoring/refusing, from the start, is the way to go?


Refuse, don't ignore. Ask them if they are poor and need you to do some work for free. Tell them doing some work for free is not your custom because you are not a slave.

It is not a favour when they are benefiting financially from your labour while you are not. That's called slave labour. If something you do is "good for their business," then they are benefiting financially.
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Bingo



Joined: 22 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then they start calling me and asking me to come little early or stay little late to do some level testing for new students. I did a few times to help them out, but they were getting use to it so I told them "No pay? No Test!"

Level testing. What a howl. When I worked for GnB the owner would be so serious about level testing. Sitting down with the parent while I test little Kim in their presence. Then there's a lot of discussion.

Finally, after the parent has left, they ask me what class he should go into. I say that his level is extremely low, so he should go into a beginners' class. The owner looks at me as if I should be committed. He's nine year's old, she says, he can't go into a beginners' class. He must go into a clas with other nine year olds. Um, what was the purpose of level testing then? A charade in front of the parents?

And on the issue of privacy. Once they wanted to get something from my apt. Not only do they show up unannounced, but they knock on the door, wait three seconds and knock again. When I haven't answered the door after a whole seven or eight seconds they vigorously start turning the door handle. WTF is up with that? And after they gain access to the apt. the wife immediately starts sweeping my apt. floor, and the next day the husband tells me that my apt. was dirty and that I should clean it more often. (It wasn't dirty at all.) Talk about a shocking invasion of one's privacy.

This is one freaky country.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You'll notice the "front" disappear. No more ear to ear grins, and out-streched arms while calling your name, as they run and fumble to get you an instant coffee.


My take on this is a little bit different.

The boss is nice in the beginning because things in Korea run on personal relationships. Bringing over a new rice cooker, taking you out to dinner etc are ways of building a personal relationship. Not everything here is based on an exchange of money for services rendered. Koreans are traditionally expected to dedicate their lives to the company.

Along comes Waygookin. Sure I'll take the free rice cooker--I didn't like cooking rice in a pan. Sure I'll take a new TV. The old one was small. What was that? You want me to come in for 30 minutes and do a level test? WTF are you talking about? I'm not your slave. You want work? Show me the money.

Yeah. The 'nice' front can quickly disappear under those circumstances. It's not just a Korean thing.
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ella



Joined: 17 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And after they gain access

You don't keep your door locked when you're at home or they have a key?
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mrd



Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: fluorescent-filled paradise

PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a friend who came home one day and discovered that the school's maintence worker was in her apartment!

She freaked out on him, waving her hands in the air, threatening to call the police.

In the end, the school apologized, and she paid a locksmith to put locks on the door so the school no longer had access to the apartment to snoop.

I did the same thing - if the school mentions anything about it, the only way they would know is if they were trying to get in without you knowing.
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Bingo



Joined: 22 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On another occasion I received a knock on my door early on a Saturday morning. I didn't work Saturdays and I enjoyed my Friday nights. I don't leap up yto answer the door early on Saturday. Anyway after about 45 seconds I hear keys fumbling outside the door. I lived in a very small one-room apt, and the door was just a few feet from the end of my bed. So I sit up to wait what happened. The key goes into the lock, the lock turns and the door opens. I'm sitting up staring at the guy (who, again, was only a few feet away.) I'm furious but silent. He says anyonghasayo and proceeds to walk past the foot of my bed to the sink and starts removing the tap and replaces it with another. I get out of bed and stood there. It was becoming obvious to him that I was very annoyed. My silence was ice cold and he knew what it meant. It never happened again.

But the thing is. In such small apartments they are actually entering not only your home, but your bedroom. But they think nothing of it.

I knew another guy who came home one day and found not only his boss in his apt, but the bosses wife and kids also.

I'll never figure this place out. Bt what do we expect from a country where you can't take a piss in a public bathroom without some ajumma mopping the floor between your legs.

Freaky, freaky country.
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