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Depression - Emotions are a result of chemicals
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caw0059



Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:37 am    Post subject: Depression - Emotions are a result of chemicals Reply with quote

First, let me say that I have struggled with depression for many years starting soon after a car wreck that resulted in a brain injury back in May of '96.
I started out taking Paxil in 1997 which worked fairly well for the 6 months I took it, took Prozac for a while, and was on Lexapro for about 2 years before my body built up a tolerance for it. I have also been on some AD here in Korea in this last year for a short time which worked ok for me.
I have always read and done research on the web regarding the causes, symptoms, types, cures, medicines and anything else regarding depression, and in the past few months I read some info on a web site about nutrition. That is one thing the MD's never talk about. I think it is job security on their part, and it keeps the pharmaceutical industry well funded.
Basically, the information I read talked about how emotions are only chemicals in your brain, which I agree with, and if you are deficient in nutrients then your emotional well being is bound to be off balance in some form or fashion.
Anyway, I began religiously taking a multi-vitamin (Equate One-daily), and I haven't experienced any symptoms of depression for the past 4 months or so. This is the first time in almost 10 years I have felt this good without meds.
I have tried exercise, and maybe it has worked a little, but taking these vitamins have done me a world of good.
I want to encourage anyone reading this to try going steady on a mult-vitamin for a while. Hopefully you can find relief there.
Please pass this information on if you find it helpful.
Best of luck to you.

Chris
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Young FRANKenstein



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, Mr.Cruise.
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Wrench



Joined: 07 Apr 2005

PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Young FRANKenstein wrote:
Okay, Mr.Cruise.


Yes there is such thing as Chemical based depresion. (I am bipolar)

I am one of these people. I have to take
some heavy doses of minerals to keep me. Haven't had a lapse in over 2 years, so I can safely say it works.

No one for sure knows why people get depressed.
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mole



Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Act III

PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wrench wrote:
... I have to take
some heavy doses of minerals to keep me...

What minerals? A Korean pharmacist recommended I take calcium & magnesium. Not specifically for depression.

I took Zoloft for a year and felt like a zombie with no sex-drive.
Thank Buddha I ditched my shrink, went to Korea, got off meds and got yellow fever.
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Wrench



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mole wrote:
Wrench wrote:
... I have to take
some heavy doses of minerals to keep me...

What minerals? A Korean pharmacist recommended I take calcium & magnesium. Not specifically for depression.

I took Zoloft for a year and felt like a zombie with no sex-drive.
Thank Buddha I ditched my shrink, went to Korea, got off meds and got yellow fever.


They are from the states. Called emPowerPlus (True Hope) They work for me but not for every one. Truehope is the company that makes it, Canada is trying to ban these, they are also very pricy 100$ a bottle but its well worth it. They last for a long time I usually have a load cycle every 6 months then I only take 1 for maintanence. They saved my life. I was on Welbutrin and it just made me jittery gave me lots of energy but I was still fooked in the head. I think my depresion got worse when I took them.
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Paji eh Wong



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am interested in this stuff. I have 'Molecules of Emotion' by Candace Pert sitting in my "to read" pile.

Any other recomended reading?
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Young FRANKenstein



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wrench wrote:
Yes there is such thing as Chemical based depresion.

Of course there is. But just because vitamins and exercise work for one person (who happens to have the right chemical imbalance), doesn't mean everyone with depression should take a 1-a-Day and go for a jog.

I was clinically depressed in uni... no amount of Fred Flintstones or Stair Master would have changed that.
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Grimalkin



Joined: 22 May 2005

PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I worker as a sales rep for Eli Lilly (who make prozac) for a year and my customers were mainly psychiatrists. Most of them use to stress the point that depression was a complex problem and that in most cases more than one approach was needed. Two points were always being stressed.


1)They felt that medication on it's own was seldom effective long-term.

2)Since each patient is different, each needs a treatment tailored to their specific needs.

It's important to remember that altho' depression is a mediated by a chemical imbalance sometime that chemical imbalance is the cause of the depression and sometimes it is a symptom.

In otherwords a biochemical malfunction can cause the chemical imbalance but also a psychological state can bring about the imbalance (the same way that a feeling of fear can cause an increase in adrenalin).
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wrench, I've never heard of True Hope.

As for chemical imbalances and what works, it sure does depend on the person. I believe in endogenous and exogenous depression.

You lose your job, girl, whatever and become depressed: that's exogenous.
Antidepressants may help, but may not be the thing.

You come from a family where mental strife is rife: that points to endogenous. That's where ADs may be necessary.

Depressed? Let's not confuse the term. Something that seriously affects your life for a long time: That's what I'm referring to.

There are several good places to go on the internet to discuss and find info on this topic. This board is not one of them.
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canuckistan
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have always read and done research on the web regarding the causes, symptoms, types, cures, medicines and anything else regarding depression, and in the past few months I read some info on a web site about nutrition. That is one thing the MD's never talk about


Ok, here I go on the nutrition thing again and a bit of a lateral tangent on this subject....quite amazing about doctors isn't it?--you'd think that diet would be the FIRST thing a doctor asks a patient about!!! But for all their vaunted "health" educations, treating the body as a whole is not something doctors are used to doing. It's ludicrous.

I know people who eat like crap--all they drink is cola/sugar, sugar, sugar and eat super-refined, fatty processed foods ALL the time...haven't seen a REAL vegetable or REAL food in years....and their young age their health sucks--many colds + complications stemming from them--infections, injuries slow to heal. They don't look good, they don't feel good--not a lot of energy. They don't accomplish much and they don't weather the usual ups and downs of life well.

Add to that too much partying, not enough sleep...yikes--you have people from some of the richest countries in the poorest health... and there's no excuse for it!

#1 cause IMHO is people don't learn about proper nutrition for their bodies (and minds--they ARE connected), nor do they cook for themsleves--healthy, fresh, unprocessed food--not Kraft Dinner 3 x a week and what I call the "7-11 grab". Lousy eating/nutrition habits get passed on from generation to generation--chances are if you didn't grow up eating a lot of fresh vegetables, grains and fruit you aren't going to do it for yourself or for your kids later. But you/they pay the price with a weak immune and and basic sytems running at 1/2 of what they really should be.

What implications does that have for a life? All kinds of things, short and long term.....including trouble concentrating or putting in any sustained physical or mental effort into just about everything. Fuel your body properly and it'll be a snap...don't fuel it properly and you won't accomplish much...and you'll hate every minute of (what becomes) a gargantuan effort when relatively simple things really shouldn't be.

It's not rocket science.

*canuckistan rant over*
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Pligganease



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have never been diagnosed with "depression."

I have been sad, at times. I have been "in a rut" for weeks on end.

However, I always find that it works itself out. I wonder what people did before synthetic THC alternatives were developed, making big drug companies billions.

My roommate a while back had been on Paxil for a while. I convinced him to stop taking it. I had him go swimming with me every day (5 km/wk) and smoke a bowl every other night. Within a month, he was completely off Paxil and swore he had never felt better in his life.

That was 6 years ago, and he has not taken a pill since.

Man, I hate big medicine.


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canuckistan
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pligganease wrote:
I have never been diagnosed with "depression."

I have been sad, at times. I have been "in a rut" for weeks on end.

However, I always find that it works itself out. I wonder what people did before synthetic THC alternatives were developed, making big drug companies billions.

My roommate a while back had been on Paxil for a while. I convinced him to stop taking it. I had him go swimming with me every day (5 km) and smoke a bowl every other night. Within a month, he was completely off Paxil and swore he had never felt better in his life.

That was 6 years ago, and he has not taken a pill since.

Man, I hate big medicine.


Well...you may have helped him substitute one legal, pharmaceutical way of stimulating the production of endorphines/dopamine with another (less legal) way Wink

The healthiest method to crank those levels up would have been the swimming--exercise does chemical wonders for the brain/body.

Big medicine does suck.
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stevemcgarrett



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canuckistan:

Congrats: you just might have the most ignorant post on this forum. Many if not most people with long-term clinical depression continue to suffer from the illness despite a healthy lifestyle. Heredity does indeed play a large role, as do chemical imbalances, which can be induced by accumulated stress. It's difficult enough to cope with clinical depression (as my grandmother did) without pointing fingers aka McCartney and Cruise style. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevemcgarrett wrote:
Canuckistan:

Congrats: you just might have the most ignorant post on this forum. Many if not most people with long-term clinical depression continue to suffer from the illness despite a healthy lifestyle. Heredity does indeed play a large role, as do chemical imbalances, which can be induced by accumulated stress. It's difficult enough to cope with clinical depression (as my grandmother did) without pointing fingers aka McCartney and Cruise style. Rolling Eyes


Well friend, I must offer my own congrats to you--it seems like you just might have accomplished the most ignorant misinterpretation of a post in this forum. I am clearly extolling the virtues of a healthy diet--for body and mind, while my sole critique about doctors (and by extension big medicine) is aimed at their failure to examine a patient's diet as being part of or contributing to their medical problem(s). Like for example, the epidemic of diabetes these days being related to horrible diets. That sort of thing.

I'd like to point out that I did start my post with:

Quote:
Ok, here I go on the nutrition thing again and a bit of a lateral tangent on this subject


...and nowhere did I state that I think individuals who are depressed should throw out their medication because it is useless.

But if you really must put words in my mouth then I should at least correct you on your erroneous interpretation of my post: my thoughts on the subject--I think a healthy diet with exercise can lessen the extremes of the more common types of depression--and even help avoid falling into them too. Hard to argue against the benefits of a healthy diet for anyone's body and mind.
That doesn't mean I think diet/exercise is the sole cure for the more severe cases of inherited-or-not depression.

My apologies for obviously not having qualified my statements enough for you.
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joeyinasia



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many fellow foreigners I've met here are bi-polar to some degree. I think it helps (us) adjust to the working conditions here, which in themselves, at times, are bi-polar. Laughing
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