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In U.S., fear and distrust of Muslims runs deep
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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:25 am    Post subject: In U.S., fear and distrust of Muslims runs deep Reply with quote

In U.S., fear and distrust of Muslims runs deep By Bernd Debusmann, Special Correspondent
Fri Dec 1, 9:05 AM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters)- When radio host Jerry Klein suggested that all Muslims in the United States should be identified with a crescent-shape tattoo or a distinctive arm band, the phone lines jammed instantly.

The first caller to the station in Washington said that Klein must be "off his rocker." The second congratulated him and added: "Not only do you tattoo them in the middle of their forehead but you ship them out of this country ... they are here to kill us."

At the end of the one-hour show, rich with arguments on why visual identification of "the threat in our midst" would alleviate the public's fears, Klein revealed that he had staged a hoax. It drew out reactions that are not uncommon in post-9/11 America.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061201/us_nm/usa_muslims_fear_dc

[In my opinion many fanatical Muslims are a danger and these people are ignorant and there are also many ignorant Americans who are a danger to the Union and the world we live in.]
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Muslims are more integrated in American society than most of Europe. This article gets its "info" from a talk-radio program. How scholary.

As the article also notes, a Muslim man was voted into Congress last month. Yup, us americans are freeked out about Muslims.

Come on, I realize you feel obliged to post an anti-american topic every day, but this is a pretty desperate attempt to do so today.
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cbclark4



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the OP is not motivated in any anti-American way. He is highlighting a very common notion. There are amongst some in Muslim community elements that wish to see the downfall of the "Decadent American Society".

Some seek these goals through subversion and violence. Can the aforementioned "some" be present in position of power? Can they be elected?

As far as tattooing I think most people find that absurd. I also think that Fundamental Muslims just as Fundamental Christians wish to change the moral tone of the nation away from the "Decadent American Society". Most of those wishing to accomplish that through the Democratic process, no one complains (at least not too much) when a fundamental Christian is elected.

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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cbclark4 wrote:
I think the OP is not motivated in any anti-American way...


Wrong.

"Fear and mistrust," especially where political and religious differences are concerned, are Homo sapiens-wide problems, visible anywhere and everywhere throughout human history. It is not only revealing but also intellectually dishonest to confine the discussion to America, especially in the usual allegation-driven way.

Americans are not a danger to "world peace," Adventurer; human beings are. That is how it has always been.
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W.T.Carl



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gee, I wonder why? Could it be that Americans don't take kindly to people flying airplanes into our buildings?
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.T.Carl wrote:
Could it be that...?


But didn't you hear yet?

W. Bush, Cheney, CIA, the Mossad, and Ted Turner are the ones who really did that...
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mnhnhyouh



Joined: 21 Nov 2006
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And many governments use fear to motivate and control their populations. The "Yellow Peril" was an oft used phrase in Australia in the 1950's. It made sure we felt isolated from the rest of the world by our Asian neighbours to the north. Add to that the "Red Menace" that had somehow mixed with the "Yellow Peril" and you can see why we jumped on the the "Agent Orange" bandwagon and introduced conscription for the first time*.

h

*There was a referendum in Australia to introduce conscription during WW1, but it was defeated. The introduction of conscription during the Vietnam war was done without an referendum.
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NAVFC



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While blantant racism and profiling are bull crap I can understand WHY they would be afraid.. There is a book writen about terrorism, I forget the name written by a author named Steve Emerson where he goes to some mosques and listens to what they preach. In some mosques in major cities in this nation he found them preaching the typical anti american one day the infidels will fall , jihad, etc etc type stuff.
Though not all muslims are like that.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NAVFC wrote:
...he goes to some mosques and listens to what they preach...


Quote:
If you want to experience fundamentalist Islam in Pakistan, walk into the Akora Khattak madrassa, on the road between Islamabad and Peshawar. This is perhaps the most famous of Pakistan's madrassas, or religious schools. It's where many of the Taliban's leaders studied.

Today's students -- all male, roughly 3,000 of them -- remain deeply conservative. With anti-American sentiment running high in Pakistan these days, it took the personal intervention of Pakistan's secretary of religious affairs to secure an appointment.

Nonetheless, there was flutter of consternation among officials when I arrived. "We thought you would be older," they told me. "Less of a distraction to the religious students here."

After some whispered consultations, they relented and agreed to show me around.

Rashid-ul-Haq showed off the library, then the computer room. His grandfather founded the madrassa 60 years ago. Today his father, Sami ul-Haq, runs the place. The Ul-Haqs live in a house on the grounds. There, over tea and fruit, Sami ul-Haq pointed out that teachers at the school offer math, social studies and English in addition to religious studies. He said the stereotype of madrassas such as this one spawning new terror recruits is misinformed. And he hotly denied recent reports of military training at his school.

But Ul-Haq did offer up some thoughts distinctly at odds with the U.S. world view. Suicide bombers, ul-Haq says, die honorably. And he argued that the U.S.-led invasion of Afghanistan was illegitimate because -- he claims -- the Sept. 11 attacks were not the work of al-Qaida...


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6567426
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In U.S., fear and distrust of Muslims runs deep



Bush has usually been careful to draw a distinction between the radicals and everyone else, I think it would serve the public better if government figures were even more aggressive in drawing these distinctions.

Much of the fear comes from the natural fear of the 'unknown', the 'other'. This is where the media could play a more constructive role. Since the Civil Rights struggle, we have had an enormous increase in the number of black cultural figures presented in positive ways and are recently beginning to see more Hispanics that way. I'd like to see the media begin to give more opportunities to Moslems. Image isn't everything, but it is something.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-Ta wrote:
Bush has usually been careful to draw a distinction between the radicals and everyone else, I think it would serve the public better if government figures were even more aggressive in drawing these distinctions.


It would serve the public better. However, a lot of Bush's support comes from those who would disagree with those statements. This is not even a criticism of Bush, I think Giuliani and McCain will suffer from the same problem in the coming years.

This article shows that fear and distrust may run deep, but it does not offer the counterpoint that BB tells us. Namely, Muslim-Americans are better integrated in the US than in any other country in Europe.

Lastly, ignorant Americans are more often irritating than a danger to the world we live in. Can't say the same for some of the 15% of the radical Muslims in the ME.
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Pligganease



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hard to believe... Adventurer posting a Reuters "Americans are soooo simple" article...


Hard to believe.
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thepeel



Joined: 08 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geeze, I wonder why...





















Americans distrust muslims because muslims should be distrusted. Or, would we trust moderate Nazis?

(here come adventurer with a lecture about how the muslims are of varied ethnicity etc.. Save your breath. i get it. But, it doesn't matter. Islam is an ideological virus, a cancer.)

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thepeel



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm really sick of the mentality espoused by adventurer (though not of him himself, cause I don't care)/

muslims, the world over, leave death and destruction in their path. Their religious brethren butcher 3000 people on American soil and it is Americans who deserve scorn and smug righteous indignation for perhaps being suspecting of those who want to kill them.

Get a grip.

If there was a poll of Iraqis that found most of them distrust Americans, I'd figure that quite right on. The people of Iraq should distrust the country that overthrew their government. But, we may not apply the same logic to Americans. They aren't allowed to have human responses in the way we allow the muslims to advocated all kinds of horrible acts in the name of whatever the Crime Against Islam is today.

When a muslim goes on some rant about killing all the Jews and Americans the liberal apology industry pulls into full steam finding the "root cause" of the seething, religious-inspired hatred of the muslim. When an American is suspicious the non-American and liberal-American attack industry gets her fix but throwing dirt at the rightfully suspicious Americans.

Americans distrust muslims because a bloody scary number of muslims openly advocate the killing of all Americans.

Case Closed.
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mnhnhyouh



Joined: 21 Nov 2006
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BJWD wrote:

If there was a poll of Iraqis that found most of them distrust Americans, I'd figure that quite right on. The people of Iraq should distrust the country that overthrew their government.


I would then consider that those Iraqis didnt read much or that if they did they were not able to understand what they were reading.

Sure they should have a problem with the U.S. government that invaded their country and even have a problem with the majority of the U.S. citizens that supported it.

However many in the U.S. didnt support it.

So to paint them all with the same brush is showing either a lack of knowledge or being unable to tell them apart.

h
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