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Does your school really hold your return ticket / passport ?
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Ramones



Joined: 23 Oct 2006
Location: In Hell in my own mind...

PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:09 pm    Post subject: Does your school really hold your return ticket / passport ? Reply with quote

I was reading some information that a recruiter sent me.

One of the informational points stated that when you arrive to Korea and are get to your school you have to let them hold your return ticket and some schools may require you to give them your passport as a "Saftey measure".

Input on the return ticket and passport ?
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No person or organization can hold your passport. It isn't even technically yours. It belongs to your government.
Never, ever give it up. I wouldnt even discuss it with them. When that issue comes up, simply refuse. If they were to take your passport, a call to your embassy would likely get that sorted out double time.
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ilovebdt



Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEVER GIVE UP YOUR PASSPORT or your return ticket if you have one.

The only reason a school would want to keep your passport and the return portion of your ticket is to prevent you from taking the Midnight Express.

If a school insists that they need to keep either of these find somewhere else to work.

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kat2



Joined: 25 Oct 2005
Location: Busan, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What poet said.

About the ticket. If the school paid for it, they can hold it.

You will be required to give your passport to immigration for a few weeks so they can issue your Alien Card. Be sure to go do this yourself. Don't give your passport to your school to register you.
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kat2 wrote:
If the school paid for it, they can hold it.

But it has your name on it.
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No! Why would they hold my passport? I simply wouldn't give it them. Return airfare the school pays for when I'm near to leaving as I always come on the one-way reembursed ticket arrangement. So far haven't had any problems...
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overq64



Joined: 08 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It takes days (at most) not weeks to get an ARC.

I've had this done by our (amazingly efficient) general affairs chap in an afternoon...

But - inefficiency make turn hours into days - weeks and they're messing with you.

Schools have no legitimate need to hold on to passport, degrees or tickets. If they want to they are just trying to control you. Don't let them.

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Tantric Avenger



Joined: 25 Nov 2006
Location: Anyang

PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even when it comes down to the ARC... Have the school fill out the papers.. and then take your passport to immigration yourself... get the job done... then go back and pick it up yourself.

Don't fricking give your school your passport for any reason. If you have to give it to them for your ARC then be prepared to refuse to work if they delay its return in any way.
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't give your PP to the school for an ARC, you give it to the immy office. And, it has to be returned to you.
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I was reading some information that a recruiter sent me.

One of the informational points stated that when you arrive to Korea and are get to your school you have to let them hold your return ticket and some schools may require you to give them your passport as a "Saftey measure".



Which recruiter? This is NOT an honest recruiter.
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like an "honest" recruiter telling you what some schools do, although without any editorial comment. It is true that some schools do the things the recruiter is telling you. But, you shouldn't work for those schools.

Since the recruiter actually works for the schools he represents, he would be dishonest if he told you that an employer was bad, even if it were true. He would be violating his fiduciary duty as a representative of the employer.


As far as your documents, it is perfectly fine to give your school your passport and ARC for a short period (a few hours or a day) to get you registered with the local education office, for your insurance, and for the pension. Each of these offices requires copies of your documents and registration can be expidited if your wonjangnim takes in your documents, in person, and signs you up and pays (in the case of health insurance) on the spot. And when you sign up for your ARC, Immigration will hold your passport for a few days (I've never seen it take longer than a week, but I suppose it could at some offices.) and then mail it back to you along with your ARC. They generally mail it back to the school.

If you are new at a school and you already don't trust your employers to take your documents to sign you up for your visa, ARC, insurance, pension, and with the local education office - all as required by law, then you have bigger problems to deal with.
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Mr. BlackCat



Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you are new at a school and you already don't trust your employers to take your documents to sign you up for your visa, ARC, insurance, pension, and with the local education office - all as required by law, then you have bigger problems to deal with.


Agreed.

I gave my last school my passport to clear all the red tape and get my ARC and had no problem. Even gave them my passport to run to immi to get me a multiple entry visa. I probably wouldn't do it if they 'demanded' it or looked shady. But they offered to take care of things for me, I asked the other teachers and it all seemed kosher. If they keep your passport, call your Embassy. That'll fix the problem, although its a hassle no one likely wants.

But, you are not REQUIRED to hand over your passport, which is what the OP was probably getting at.

As for the return ticket, why in the world should the school let you hold on to it? At least before the 6 month mark? Its not like all the employers are evil monsters and all the FTs are innocent little victims, you know.
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ilovebdt wrote:
NEVER GIVE UP YOUR PASSPORT or your return ticket if you have one.
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They treat illegal prostitutes exactly the same way in Europe, they steal all documents and these girls have no clue about their rights, thus they let themselves be abused.
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blackjack



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: anyang

PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i don't know about other countries but it is dead easy to get a new passport at the new zealand embassy (pissed off girl friend, she has your key a lighter and knows when you work Embarassed ) but still i would never let anyone "look after my passport"
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blackjack wrote:
i don't know about other countries but it is dead easy to get a new passport at the new zealand embassy (pissed off girl friend, she has your key a lighter and knows when you work Embarassed ) but still i would never let anyone "look after my passport"


Not so these days. Seoul has since stopped processing passport applications for NZers and a range of security procedures have been put in place after that business with the IDF forging NZ passports.

Folks the days when you can just 'lose' your passport are over. Governments are starting to take passport fraud and theft very seriously.

So just to reiterate the only time you should give over your passport to your employer is for offical business, ARC card, registration at the embassy etc. which shouldn't take more than a few weeks.

If they want to keep your passport after that for safe-keeping tell them no. If they have your passport and don't give it up: first tell them you need to transfer money or something like that, if they say no again then remind them they aren't allowed to keep it and if they don't keep it then call the bloody embassy.

As for the ticket thing. If it's a return airfare then as far as I'm concenred it's the employer's property until you complete your contract, however most places will issue a new ticket if you 'lose' yours.
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