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chaz47

Joined: 11 Sep 2003
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:53 pm Post subject: resigning and they want more than what is in the contract |
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I am resigning soon and the school board is trying to force me into agreeing to things which are not in my contract.
First they want to dock my pay for vacation days I was forced to take prior to beginning work. I was contracted to work at two different public schools with two different start dates. I had to take the two weeks so that I could begin working a full week at the same time, rather than working half a week for two weeks.
Second they want me to reimburse them for the money they gave me to cover my visa run expenses ( they originally reimbursed me, now they want me to give it back to them ).
I was contracted for two schools and really liked the second one. I offered to stay at the other school and the other school really wanted to keep me. The education board decided that it would be too much paperwork to keep me at the other school though.
My last day should be on the 13th, they are trying to get me to stay until the 15th. My thinking is, screw them... last week they were trying to force me to work an extra week which would make getting a new visa for my next job (at the end of this month) a little difficult.
To top all of this off, my primary school hasn't been deducting pension from my check (or medical either most likely)... so I will be expected to pay an addition 350,000.
I really detest this education board and have no sympathy for them.
Here is a letter I composed to the recruiter who has been doing the negotiations. I want it to sound firm but not inflammatory.
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DEAR RECRUITER,
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I spoke to YOUR REPRESENTATIVE briefly about some pay issues and my last day.
I don't want to be a jerk about this, I do care about the school and the students but I have no sympathy for the XXXX education board. They are asking for things that are not in my contract. No where in my contract is anything stated about my reimbursing anyone for travel allowances or vacation days if my contract is terminated early.
Like I said, I don't want to be a jerk, but these are the same people that wouldn't change my contract to only XXXX SCHOOL because "it was too much paperwork". I have no sympathy for them, perhaps they should begin reading the contracts they sign people too.
I really don't want to be a jerk but I will not be bullied by these people either.
Thanks,
CHAZ47
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Any suggestions before I mail it off? |
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chris_J2

Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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Won't you need a letter of release, or has that already been arranged? |
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ilovebdt

Joined: 03 Jun 2005 Location: Nr Seoul
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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First of all, don't send that letter off, think about it overnight.
Second, Call the labour board. If it is not in your contract they can't have it. Here is the number: 1350 and press 7 to speak to an English speaking representative.
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poet13
Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:36 am Post subject: |
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Sorry, but that is so NOT a professional letter. You're not likely to get anywhere writing a letter anyways. If they continue to give you grief, just call the labor board. |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:51 am Post subject: |
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Labour Board. |
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chaz47

Joined: 11 Sep 2003
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:01 am Post subject: |
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chris_J2 wrote: |
Won't you need a letter of release, or has that already been arranged? |
The letter of release is pending. The recruiters insist that they will be the ones "letting me off".
I will wait for the other member of the recruiting team, the one with the better English skills to contact me... unfortunately that one is often slow to let me know what is up.
If they do consider to persist in this I believe I will contact the Labor Board. |
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spliff

Joined: 19 Jan 2004 Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:01 am Post subject: |
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Hmmm, the letter format is not quite right.
Last edited by spliff on Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:04 am; edited 2 times in total |
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spliff

Joined: 19 Jan 2004 Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:03 am Post subject: |
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Hmmm, I've got it, change that to " I don't want to be unnecessarily uncool and heavy but...., ", it'll go over much better and give it a professional air ( especially if your boss is Canadian) ... 
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chaz47

Joined: 11 Sep 2003
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:04 am Post subject: |
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spliff wrote: |
Yeah, change that to " I don't want to be unnecessary uncool and heavy"...  |
I can't help it when I am angry my vocabulary eludes me.
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Hanson

Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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Have you tried hitting them over the head with a book? |
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paddylopez
Joined: 28 Nov 2006
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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Second they want me to reimburse them for the money they gave me to cover my visa run expenses ( they originally reimbursed me, now they want me to give it back to them ). |
I don't know what education board you are talking about but in Busan, if you work more than 6 months and then resign, you don't have to pay back the flight money OR the money they gave you to go to Japan for your visa run. My school paid for half my visa run, not the full price though. |
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antoniothegreat

Joined: 28 Aug 2005 Location: Yangpyeong
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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they are demanding you give them money for something that is not in your contract and then asking you to work extra days? are you crazy? that is insane? if i resigned and they demanded money then asked me to work extra days i would laugh my butt off.
if you want, use that as a negotiating tool. tell them, give me my letter of release NOW, and i will work an extra week for you, with extra pay being made daily.
dont give them any possibility to skrew you. pending letter of release means, no, but we arent going to tell you that until after we get you to agree to as much as possible. if you are leaving, they have no reason to be considerate to you. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:58 am Post subject: |
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Rule #1: You should not use the word "jerk" in any business correspondence that you want to have taken seriously. Don't even think about sending that letter. It's probably for the best that the recruiter is willing to negotiate on your behalf.
Definitely call the Labor Board. You have been following the law by giving notice that you want to resign, they're breaking the law so this should be pretty cut and dry.
More and more of these ugly stories seem to be coming out of the public schools lately. Public school principals sound just about as bad as the wonjangnims that have been the bain of our existence for so long. I switched from a kiddie hogwon to a corporate adult hogwon just when the public school hiring boom started. At the time I thought I might have been missing out on a good thing. It doesn't seem that way any more. |
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Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:16 am Post subject: |
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chaz47 wrote: |
The letter of release is pending. The recruiters insist that they will be the ones "letting me off". |
Recruiters have nothing to do with Release Letters. Only your visa sponsor can give you one, in this case, the school. |
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chaz47

Joined: 11 Sep 2003
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:05 am Post subject: |
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Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
chaz47 wrote: |
The letter of release is pending. The recruiters insist that they will be the ones "letting me off". |
Recruiters have nothing to do with Release Letters. Only your visa sponsor can give you one, in this case, the school. |
Right, I know this. But since they are doing the negotiations they seem to feel a bit of authority over me in the matter... or so it seems.
What risks am I taking if I choose to be demanding with them. It has been two days and the more English savvy of the recruiting team hasn't contacted me yet.
Here is another idea for a letter to them. Hopefully this is more professional, and again all suggestions are welcome.
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RECRUITER,
Your associate told me that you would be contacting me with some definite answers regarding my final pay and my final day.
Your associate expressed a desire for me to stay two days after the completion of my 30 days notice. He also said that there may be some deductions in my pay for travel expense reimbursement and vacation days used at the beginning of my contract.
Firstly, I may decide to stay those extra two days, but in all honesty it is quite the inconvenience. Doing a visa run as you well know often has many unforseen complications, so the sooner I can begin the process the better. Also, I have already said goodbye to the students at that school, to do so again would be very difficult for me as I sincerely enjoyed working there.
Secondly, neither of the two pay deductions your associate mentioned are in my contract. Therefore, I am not legally obligated to pay them.
If it were the fault of any of the two schools involved I would be sympathetic, but it is not their fault. In the end the fault is with the XXXX county education board which so recently decided that it would be too much paperwork to renegotiate my contract to the second school only.
In the future perhaps the XXXX county education board will be a bit more progressive in their outlook and be willing to bend a little for the good of their students and their schools, even if the price is a little extra paperwork. At the very least they may be more cautious and read the contracts of future teachers a bit more carefully.
As I said, I know I am not legally obligated to work the extra two days or pay the deductions mentioned by your associate. I will call the Labor Board if necessary.
I have done all that is required of me in my contract in a professional and timely manner, I would hope that you and they can do the same.
Please see that my letter of release is prepared as soon as possible.
Sincerely,
CHAZ47
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OK?
What do you guys think?
What am I risking by being more demanding with them? I am completely within my rights aren't I? |
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