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Dude Love
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:26 am Post subject: drunk |
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| -I never said anyone was drunk, either. The only person who I think was drunk was the probable rapist. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:48 am Post subject: |
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-I never checked with the police but I've been to the Itaewon police box b4 and they don't really speak English. I just thought that with the way he was behaving he should have been arrested.
Well dude love that means you have very little fact to go on and a lot of assumptions based on scant evidence.
You are quick to pull the trigger on the situation and call the guy a rapist and the cops inneffective when in reality this could have been many things other that an attempted rape and the cops could very well have made arrests the next day or be conducting an investigation (come to think of it, why would they need to tell you they were investigating??).
You seem to have intevened in a situation with good intentions but on a very big assumption....something to learn there.... |
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Dude Love
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| The only manner in which I intervened was when the accused was behaving threateningly toward a young lady. My impressions could have been wrong but I didn't really do anything besides push him once when he was up in her face. Is there any reason why some people are having a hard time understanding that? |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Privateer wrote: |
| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
Perhaps you are confusing confidence with indiscretion.
Either way, it's not much of a story. Heard, and seen, better. |
What, are you grading posts now?
Did Dave die and leave this forum to you in his will? Or has this thread morphed into the 'Who's got the best story' thread? Because otherwise I don't see how your personal entertainment rating is relevant. |
P.S. is someone with whom I've had the misfortune of drinking a few beers.
He's not looking for attention because, as far as I can tell, he just is not that sort of person. If anything, he's a sort of conservative Canuck that you just have to get to know in order to know.
He is intelligent and can put 'em back when he wants to, eh.
I hope that my explanation helped you guys sort it out, eh.
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Homer
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| Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:13 am Post subject: |
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No problem understanding what you did dude love....I said you seem to have acted on an assumption based on scant evidence.
You obviously did so out of a sense of chivalry but nevertheless...a lesson to learn about assumptions perhaps. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
No problem understanding what you did dude love....I said you seem to have acted on an assumption based on scant evidence.
You obviously did so out of a sense of chivalry but nevertheless...a lesson to learn about assumptions perhaps. |
So your moral of the story is do nothing unless you're 100% sure of the circumstances. (which is impossible).
No, there must always be a message sent that people are around who will intervene to help. The moral for the K-dude involved is don't get into any dubious scenarios with a woman/ stranger on the street.
Until we have video footage replays of every action on every street corner relayed and translated to every passer by, the simple message must be: always help a woman who appears to be victimised by an unsavory attacker.
From the actions and behaviour of the attacker I think its fairly obvious he was an idiot -and thats enough to go on. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
No problem understanding what you did dude love....I said you seem to have acted on an assumption based on scant evidence.
You obviously did so out of a sense of chivalry but nevertheless...a lesson to learn about assumptions perhaps. |
If the guy was physically intimidating a female passerby, as Dude Love witnessed for himself, then he did right to intervene. If I were her, I'd have been very glad of it. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
No problem understanding what you did dude love....I said you seem to have acted on an assumption based on scant evidence.
You obviously did so out of a sense of chivalry but nevertheless...a lesson to learn about assumptions perhaps. |
So your moral of the story is do nothing unless you're 100% sure of the circumstances. (which is impossible).
No, there must always be a message sent that people are around who will intervene to help. The moral for the K-dude involved is don't get into any dubious scenarios with a woman/ stranger on the street.
Until we have video footage replays of every action on every street corner relayed and translated to every passer by, the simple message must be: always help a woman who appears to be victimised by an unsavory attacker.
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And what if once down at the police station, she says she was just arguing and not in any danger? Meanwhile the guy is hunched over and claiming severe pain. You end up paying a lot of money, spending a few nights in a cell with a few more unsavoury characters and getting deported from Korea.
We don't need 100%, but the evidence should at least be more than a yelling match. That doesn't justify physical intervention. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| And what if once down at the police station, she says she was just arguing and not in any danger? Meanwhile the guy is hunched over and claiming severe pain. You end up paying a lot of money, spending a few nights in a cell with a few more unsavoury characters and getting deported from Korea. |
Your fears are a bit far fetched I think.
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| We don't need 100%, but the evidence should at least be more than a yelling match. That doesn't justify physical intervention. |
Agreed. A simple yelling match does not warrant any action. If it looks like it will turn nasty you could always hang around to make sure though.
i've seen plenty K-women giving as good as they get in the screaming match, however these things can turn violent. Once people have lost control, they basically want someone to separate them. |
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prairieboy
Joined: 14 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know if anyone has suggested this for the future (I haven't got the time or inclination to read all of the previous posts) but if you've got a cell phone with a video function then record it. Get it on tape and be sure to get the police in it too so it can be clearly seen they are doing nothing.
Post it to a newspaper and let the fun begin. Public outrage is the way to go with a social issue in my opinion. Not condoning cyberviolence but if it's important then you've got to present incontrovertible proof to the public and the rest will sort itself out.
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Hollywoodaction
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| Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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Ever read Frankenstein? People do jump to conclusions. Could it be that he was trying to help her and it was misconstrued as being an attempted rape? I was taught in the army to take someone's pulse by placing my fingers on the side of their neck closest to me instead of crossing them over to the other side because people have been shot in battle by soldiers who thought that they were choking the wounded.
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| nautilus wrote: |
| Homer wrote: |
No problem understanding what you did dude love....I said you seem to have acted on an assumption based on scant evidence.
You obviously did so out of a sense of chivalry but nevertheless...a lesson to learn about assumptions perhaps. |
So your moral of the story is do nothing unless you're 100% sure of the circumstances. (which is impossible).
No, there must always be a message sent that people are around who will intervene to help. The moral for the K-dude involved is don't get into any dubious scenarios with a woman/ stranger on the street.
Until we have video footage replays of every action on every street corner relayed and translated to every passer by, the simple message must be: always help a woman who appears to be victimised by an unsavory attacker.
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And what if once down at the police station, she says she was just arguing and not in any danger? Meanwhile the guy is hunched over and claiming severe pain. You end up paying a lot of money, spending a few nights in a cell with a few more unsavoury characters and getting deported from Korea.
We don't need 100%, but the evidence should at least be more than a yelling match. That doesn't justify physical intervention. |
You can intervene without ever hitting anyone. Just standing around near by, saying something, is going to make a guy doing something wrong think twice. And if you have to get physical you just restrain someone. No need to do anything that would allow the guy to get money off you...  |
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nautilus
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Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know if anyone has suggested this for the future (I haven't got the time or inclination to read all of the previous posts) but if you've got a cell phone with a video function then record it. Get it on tape and be sure to get the police in it too so it can be clearly seen they are doing nothing.
Post it to a newspaper and let the fun begin. Public outrage is the way to go with a social issue in my opinion. Not condoning cyberviolence but if it's important then you've got to present incontrovertible proof to the public and the rest will sort itself out. |
Thats a good idea. it would make absolutely compelling viewing for netizens.
It might succeed in generating public outrage and maybe a media focus, even a changeing of the law.
I would probably be unable to resist jumping in.
But if you're happy to stand back and simply record everything on camera, it could get a good result. The victim would become something of a sacrifice for a greater good, you might say. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 5:02 am Post subject: |
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It is not about doing nothing nautilus.
It is about exercising judgement in a situation. Rushing is not always the better call.
If the guy had withnessed this same scene but no one else was around then intervening would have been a different story. As it stands, a crowd was there, cops were there and the OP reacted to what he saw....if the cops are there...why intervene at all? Because you think that the cops are not doing enough?
What if they had just contained the situation and were waiting for the guy to cool off before restraining him? That is what I mean by excercising judgement.
The OP acted out of good intentions but he also acted on a very big assumption based on very little direct evidence.... |
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Dude Love
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 5:42 am Post subject: ugh! |
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What big assumption did I act on? Why must I keep repeating it? He was already behaving aggressively (I saw it myself even though I didn't see what looked like a rape) and he was standing toe-to-toe with a young woman very intimidatingly, like boxers when the ref's explaining the rules before a match. I pushed his shoulder once because I'd rather he assaulted me than her and I wanted him to give her some space.
I don't think I overeacted, I'd do it again and I'm happy with myself. But let's suppose I did overeact. One push to the shoulder; big deal! |
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