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ulsanchris
Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Location: take a wild guess
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 1:55 am Post subject: hmm |
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| I think there will be a lot of shock when reunification happens. Imagine how messed up N. Koreans will feel when they see what they have been missing out on all these years. And how will they react one they find out the truth about all the lies they have been told? Things are so different between the north and south that they will have a hard time trying to deal with eachother. I don't think the honeymoon over reunification will last too long. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 2:13 am Post subject: |
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Thats a really spooky news story.
I wonder do they really love him to that degree or does this kind of behaviour just look good to their government 'minders'.
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Probably the former. My understanding is that, according in state propaganda, Kim is portrayed as an actual god. Apparently, he claims to have been born on the same mountain as Tangun, the mythical founder of the Koreans. As well, I read somewhere that schoolchildren are taught that he does not defecate or urinate. Fron everything I've heard, the NK ideology is a state religious cult, not unlike the Duvaliers in Haiti.
But then, we can ask ourselves how representative these cheerleaders are of the general population in NK. I mean, presumably, they are well-fed, well-housed, etc, so have much less incentive than the average NKer to question Kim's supposed omnibenevolence. Presumably, the people who risk life and limb to flee into China are a bit more skeptical. |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 3:30 am Post subject: Re: hmm |
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| ulsanchris wrote: |
| I think there will be a lot of shock when reunification happens. Imagine how messed up N. Koreans will feel when they see what they have been missing out on all these years. And how will they react one they find out the truth about all the lies they have been told? Things are so different between the north and south that they will have a hard time trying to deal with eachother. I don't think the honeymoon over reunification will last too long. |
That's why I've been thinking... makes me wonder when another war would break out -- post reunification. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 5:27 am Post subject: |
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I think I am turning into Anda but....I am beginning to think re-unification is about getting cheapo labor that is Korean so they don't have to import all those poor folks from developing nations. (this doesn't count ESL teachers) I mean hell so much the better to exploit abuse other koreans...you know keep it in the tribe.
Once they get automated English teaching and we are rendered obsolete there will be practically no reason to allow any foriengers here....they can confine them to Hannam and Yongsan....send US troops home and preserve the homeland. Korea for only Koreans... and hell with unification they have built in ddd labor supply. Or do you think they will rush to them offering college educations....free housing....settlement assistence........wait I am laughing too hard.....
Wait maybe I am just too cynical.
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If re-unification ever comes about, cheap Korean labour will be for all Koreans. Just to bring the North's infrastructure to par with the South's will cost about a trillion dollars. And then there are the other issues that will cost money. The standard of living for the South would go WAY down. For this reason re-unification will remain a catchphrase. There are too many powerful interests privately opposing it to think otherwise.
As for automated teaching they can do that already. Just pop in a videocassette. But that is very unlikely to happen.
Koreans want to interact with a real live foreigner, not an automaton of any kind. |
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matko

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: in a world of hurt!
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 7:59 am Post subject: |
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Nuke Pyeongyang and get it over with.
I have never been more serious in my entire life.
The Japanese have gotten over it (to a certain extent) so will the Koreans. |
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Dan

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Sunny Glendale, CA
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 8:14 am Post subject: |
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If there is a reunification, and I have my doubts, north koreans will have an overload of the "entertainment" industry and probably go nuts.
There was a very long article in the NYT magazine about kids that ran away from NK and made it to SK successfully. But they could never fully adjust to south korean culture. Thus most lived as outcasts, quite a few fell into alcoholism and one died in a motorcycle accident.
Though they could not afford them, each got a "handphone" and rang up extremely high bills, and the boys especially were so wrapped up in violence as a part of them NK past that they could not function as normal members of society.
This is the bleak future that awaits both north and south korea. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 8:55 am Post subject: |
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Nuke Pyeongyang and get it over with.
I have never been more serious in my entire life.
The Japanese have gotten over it (to a certain extent) so will the Koreans |
Uhh, yeah, but didn't Japan also invade a whole lot of countries around here? Plus, of course, they attacked the country that eventually dropped the bomb on them. I can see no such justification for nuking NK, beyond "well, its ran by some nasty characters". True, it is, but then so are alot of places. |
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indiercj

Joined: 30 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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Nuke Pyeongyang and get it over with.
I have never been more serious in my entire life.
The Japanese have gotten over it (to a certain extent) so will the Koreans. |
This kind of joke makes me sick. |
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matko

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: in a world of hurt!
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| matko wrote: |
Nuke Pyeongyang and get it over with.
I have never been more serious in my entire life.
The Japanese have gotten over it (to a certain extent) so will the Koreans. |
This kind of joke makes me sick. |
Well indiercj, I was trying to point out the hoplessness of the situation.
I wasn't trying to be funny.
I will also add that unless there is a popular uprising in the north (very unlikely) military conflict is the only way to end the standoff.
The north has proven time and time again that they cannot be trusted.
They are so out of touch with reality, what other option is there?
If they develop the bomb, the rest of the world will be held hostage by Daffy Duck and his succesors forever!!!
Indiercj, is it ok for the north to threaten the west with nuclear annihilation, but bad for others to threaten them with the same thing? |
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Alias

Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| North Korea = Theocracy |
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jajdude
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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2003 6:36 am Post subject: |
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| I wish Kim Jong Il would die... soon! |
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Walter Mitty

Joined: 27 Mar 2003 Location: Tokyo! ^.^
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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2003 8:15 am Post subject: |
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| I wish Kim Jong Il would die... soon! |
What we need is "The Crossbow Project," that cool laser from Real Genius. |
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indiercj

Joined: 30 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2003 8:19 am Post subject: |
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Matko, i was just hoping you were actually joking, which would have made me sick nonetheless. Killing millions of innocent people in the name of democracy and world peace is something too cruel for me to agree with. Those sacrificed may well be my distant relatives living in PyungYang and ChungJin.
Yeah they have been threatening the US since the end of the War and now they are suspected to have a nuclear weapon program. But IMO while the US's threat is real; we've seen more than enough of what they are capable of, so far i've not been addressed with sufficient evidence that the North's nuclear threat is real. I think if they are actually capable of having nukes and "blowing the west" the US army must be looking for Kim Jung Il's body by now: just like what they are doing in Iraq. The fact that unlike Iraq the US government was a few steps away of normalizing the relations with the North at 99 and that even Bush seems to be willing to push forward diplomatic solution make me wonder what the North Korean capability of "blowing the west" might be. To me, the only thing sure right now is the fact that North Korea wants the US and the rest of the world to believe they have the bomb or at least capable of having it.
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Trinny

Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2003 8:28 am Post subject: |
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Indiercj,
You are firing up the thread, aren't you?
Rest assured. The US won't start any military aggression on the Dear Leader. They cannot afford to have muliple fronts at the same time. And what is more important is the Dear Leader is not Sadam Hussein. |
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posco's trumpet
Joined: 20 Apr 2003 Location: Beneath the Underdog
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