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inseoul



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:02 pm    Post subject: The "Iraqi Study Group", revelations indeed.... Reply with quote

Well, I don�t know about you all, but I have certainly been on the edge of my seat awaiting the verdict from the "Iraqi Study Group", assigned the task by Washington of deciding on a suitable strategy for the mess created by the US in the past few years in that Country.

Initial news reports on their conclusions suggest (among other things) that influences from outside Iraq are at least partly responsible for the problems, giving Palestinians some of their land back might help somewhat and even that US troops may start to pull out from early 2008.

These are indeed revelations.

With a budget of only $1million dollars, these US academics and accomplished politicians are showing every sign of being able to pull off a real turn around in the Country, if not the entire region.

I must say though that I have on more than one occasion wondered (whilst awaiting on the edge of my seat), if not perhaps this talented team of individuals should have been assigned the task of investigating the possible consequences and strategy of war in Iraq BEFORE the US decided to invade in the first place.......

I am the first to admit that I am no genius, but with a budget of $1 million USD, compared to billions for the invasion, 100,000 or more violent Iraqi deaths, and of course the 3000 odd US rednecks sacrificed in the name of......various things; one might well be justified in pondering whether the Study Group could have come first in this series of events?

I do not however favour such thoughts, as in being a "Westerner" living in a non Western country, I am often presumed to be an American, and such a theory, if it were true, makes me feel like a complete fool. Or more accurately, that those who do not at all resemble Americans look at me as if I too might be a complete fool.

Canadians in Korea go to great lengths to try and broadcast the fact that they are not American by such means as; wearing flags on their backpacks (yes, an abnormal degree of Canadians seem to walk around with Backpacks- some kind of hangover from the eighties, or perhaps even something to do with Government subsidies for backpacks in Canada etc...) , and various other means, such as trying to be louder than the Americans and drinking more. And I must say, I am beginning to understand their logic.

The less people who think you are American, the happier you will be over here (and I am sure this now applies in other 'foreign'/ non western countries also).

But I digress. Its back to the edge of my seat to watch the drastic turn around in Iraq unfold. No doubt by the "beginning of 2008" we will start to see a real improvement in Iraq, as the US troops leave.

I wonder if they have considered at all, in early 2008, potentially reinstating Saddam and then pulling out. 19 out of 20 Iraqis say they think the Country was safer under Saddam (CNN 06/12/06) and I am sure he would accept the job under certain conditions.

Infact, when I consider the type of people the US has based in South Korea representing their army, I wonder if they would consider a post for Saddam over here (if it meant we could send more of the US soldiers home from this locale). I know we would all feel a lot safer.

Indeed, back to the edge of my seat.

God Bless America, (especially those who control it)
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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look at me as if I too might be a complete fool



You may have hit the nail on the head here.


When you say this:
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These are indeed revelations.
I have to wonder just what the US could do at this point to please you. You don't want the US in Iraq and this group is advising policy that would achieve that and you STILL bi*ch and moan. Something tells me you are just a babo.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the failure of the Iraq operation so far is down to the Iraqi's inability to take responsibility for their own country. Backwardness and lack of motivation can always be blamed on the US.
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wannago



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:26 am    Post subject: Re: The "Iraqi Study Group", revelations indeed... Reply with quote

inseoul wrote:
The less people who think you are American, the happier you will be over here (and I am sure this now applies in other 'foreign'/ non western countries also).


Don't worry. No American will ever mistake you for an American and I doubt you have a problem in "'foreign'/non western countries" either. No American wants to be mistaken for Euro-trash either, not to mention Canadian.

Yes, yes, I know...the U.S. is responsible for all the world's ills.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Occupation is not an exit strategy.

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inseoul



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nautilus wrote:
the failure of the Iraq operation so far is down to the Iraqi's inability to take responsibility for their own country. Backwardness and lack of motivation can always be blamed on the US.


which is exactly why they needed to research these things BEFORE they started.

there should be less focus on these study group clowns and more focus on declaring Iraq a case of genocide and holding the instigators responsible- ie the invaders.

sobering thought to think dropping a nuclear bomb in Bhagdad might have done less damage than what exists now.

they would be better off to reinstate saddam and leave. the entire region/country would be.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saddam does not need to be re-instated. The Baathist bureaucracy needs to re-instated. The previous military structure needs to re-instated. The elected leadership needs to work with those institutions. The Iraqi Military needs to have the power of conscription and the US needs to leave.

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inseoul



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:53 am    Post subject: .... Reply with quote

the fact that washigton is waiting for a report on possible solutions for iraq 3 years after victory was declared but that clown that runs the US, is in itself proof that the us has failed.

i would like to see more focus on the fact that the US has screwed it up so badly, than this sideshow study group crap.

they have said themselves that the report introduces no new ideas. it is a sideshow designed to avert embarrassment and attention from the real cost unfolding everyday.

150 more 9/11's would not balance the scales. but we live in hope.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:07 am    Post subject: Re: .... Reply with quote

inseoul wrote:
the fact that washigton is waiting for a report on possible solutions for iraq 3 years after victory was declared but that clown that runs the US, is in itself proof that the us has failed.

i would like to see more focus on the fact that the US has screwed it up so badly, than this sideshow study group crap.

they have said themselves that the report introduces no new ideas. it is a sideshow designed to avert embarrassment and attention from the real cost unfolding everyday.

150 more 9/11's would not balance the scales. but we live in hope.


Can you clarify, are you hoping for 150 more 9/11 type incidents?

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Satori



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:25 am    Post subject: Re: The "Iraqi Study Group", revelations indeed... Reply with quote

inseoul wrote:
Well, I don�t know about you all, but I have certainly been on the edge of my seat awaiting the verdict from the "Iraqi Study Group", assigned the task by Washington of deciding on a suitable strategy for the mess created by the US in the past few years in that Country.

Initial news reports on their conclusions suggest (among other things) that influences from outside Iraq are at least partly responsible for the problems, giving Palestinians some of their land back might help somewhat and even that US troops may start to pull out from early 2008.

These are indeed revelations.

With a budget of only $1million dollars, these US academics and accomplished politicians are showing every sign of being able to pull off a real turn around in the Country, if not the entire region.

I must say though that I have on more than one occasion wondered (whilst awaiting on the edge of my seat), if not perhaps this talented team of individuals should have been assigned the task of investigating the possible consequences and strategy of war in Iraq BEFORE the US decided to invade in the first place.......

I am the first to admit that I am no genius, but with a budget of $1 million USD, compared to billions for the invasion, 100,000 or more violent Iraqi deaths, and of course the 3000 odd US rednecks sacrificed in the name of......various things; one might well be justified in pondering whether the Study Group could have come first in this series of events?

I do not however favour such thoughts, as in being a "Westerner" living in a non Western country, I am often presumed to be an American, and such a theory, if it were true, makes me feel like a complete fool. Or more accurately, that those who do not at all resemble Americans look at me as if I too might be a complete fool.

Canadians in Korea go to great lengths to try and broadcast the fact that they are not American by such means as; wearing flags on their backpacks (yes, an abnormal degree of Canadians seem to walk around with Backpacks- some kind of hangover from the eighties, or perhaps even something to do with Government subsidies for backpacks in Canada etc...) , and various other means, such as trying to be louder than the Americans and drinking more. And I must say, I am beginning to understand their logic.

The less people who think you are American, the happier you will be over here (and I am sure this now applies in other 'foreign'/ non western countries also).

But I digress. Its back to the edge of my seat to watch the drastic turn around in Iraq unfold. No doubt by the "beginning of 2008" we will start to see a real improvement in Iraq, as the US troops leave.

I wonder if they have considered at all, in early 2008, potentially reinstating Saddam and then pulling out. 19 out of 20 Iraqis say they think the Country was safer under Saddam (CNN 06/12/06) and I am sure he would accept the job under certain conditions.

Infact, when I consider the type of people the US has based in South Korea representing their army, I wonder if they would consider a post for Saddam over here (if it meant we could send more of the US soldiers home from this locale). I know we would all feel a lot safer.

Indeed, back to the edge of my seat.

God Bless America, (especially those who control it)

Most idiotic post Ive read in the CE forum in a long long time...
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wannago



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:09 pm    Post subject: Re: .... Reply with quote

inseoul wrote:
the fact that washigton is waiting for a report on possible solutions for iraq 3 years after victory was declared but that clown that runs the US, is in itself proof that the us has failed.


I didn't know that Tony Blair was running the U.S.!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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they have said themselves that the report introduces no new ideas. it is a sideshow designed to avert embarrassment and attention from the real cost unfolding everyday.


I'm sure it wasn't long ago that I heard Bush saying that he will "Stay the Course in Iraq. Yes, this is a simple case of saving face.

I also remember that Bush said that his polices in Iraq (the illegal invasion of iraq) were vindicated by the American people because he was re-elected. I'm tired of Bush getting all the slack on Iraq when really he is not responsible for all the morons that voted for him. Wannago can go on and bash Europeans and Canadians, and if nationality isn't the center of attack, he will just call Americans who have different opinions "loopy libs" or something to that effect, but he's one of those who voted for Bush.

I hope that one day Bush and his cohorts are brought to appear in an international court much like others from Kosovo, but to be given the same sentence that was handed out to the Nazis.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

supernick wrote:
I'm tired of Bush getting all the slack on Iraq when really he is not responsible for all the morons that voted for him. Wannago can go on and bash Europeans and Canadians, and if nationality isn't the center of attack, he will just call Americans who have different opinions "loopy libs" or something to that effect, but he's one of those who voted for Bush.


Yes, and I voted for him twice simply because he was the lesser of the evils presented to the voters. Period. Presented with the same choices I would vote the same again. Who did you vote for supernick? Oh that's right, you couldn't. You can just sit on the sideline and b*tch about other people's choices. How pathetic. I've got an idea, how about trying to make your own country (whatever it is, canadian I think) more of a player on the international scene? Then, YOU could make those world-altering decisions and us "morons" in the U.S. can roll over on our side and watch the planes hit your buildings for a change.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, and I voted for him twice simply because he was the lesser of the evils presented to the voters. Period. Presented with the same choices I would vote the same again. Who did you vote for supernick? Oh that's right, you couldn't. You can just sit on the sideline and b*tch about other people's choices. How pathetic. I've got an idea, how about trying to make your own country (whatever it is, canadian I think) more of a player on the international scene? Then, YOU could make those world-altering decisions and us "morons" in the U.S. can roll over on our side and watch the planes hit your buildings for a change.


You mean that Canada should step up to the plate, promote lies and invade a country based on those lies and then re-elect the same people? Sorry, I wouldn't be so proud of that.

Canada and Australia did come up to bat when a threat was very real, not like those people south of the Canadian border.
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Satori



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

supernick wrote:
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they have said themselves that the report introduces no new ideas. it is a sideshow designed to avert embarrassment and attention from the real cost unfolding everyday.


I'm sure it wasn't long ago that I heard Bush saying that he will "Stay the Course in Iraq. Yes, this is a simple case of saving face.

I also remember that Bush said that his polices in Iraq (the illegal invasion of iraq) were vindicated by the American people because he was re-elected. I'm tired of Bush getting all the slack on Iraq when really he is not responsible for all the morons that voted for him. Wannago can go on and bash Europeans and Canadians, and if nationality isn't the center of attack, he will just call Americans who have different opinions "loopy libs" or something to that effect, but he's one of those who voted for Bush.

I hope that one day Bush and his cohorts are brought to appear in an international court much like others from Kosovo, but to be given the same sentence that was handed out to the Nazis.

Second most idiotic post I've read in the CE forum for a long long time. This thread is amazing!
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