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cerulean808
Joined: 14 Mar 2006
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BJWD
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| They ultimately know that your typical muslim has more in common with a nazi then he does a protestant or Catholic |
Nazi ideology emerged from Christian civilisation. After all the Nazis didn't invent Jew bashing, Christians did, the Nazis organized it better. Makes a joke of the epithet 'Islamofacism': 'Christofacism' might hold some water.
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| In the end, I just post this stuff about muslims cause it makes the multicult crowd crazy. |
Flippant remark that jarrs with the rest of your spiel. You've obviously grinding an ax about Muslims.
So what is it with the ax grinding BJWD?
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| Demographics don't lie. |
Your stats are future projections based on current rates. Why have European birth rates dropped? That's what happens in industrialised, affluent societies. New immigrants from more traditional societies will have higher birth rates to start but if intergrated you could expect their birth rates to decline. After all they're immigrating cos they need/want a slice of the economic prosperity like we all do. However you seem to believe their motivation is to infiltrate Western Civilisation and destroy it from within by breeding like rabbits, like the Trojan Horse, some kind of humongous conspiracy. Oh noooo!
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| Islam is not like Christianity, where Ceaser is granted to him what is his. It is a political project, and must be understood as such. |
Islam is a religious ideology, Christianity is a religious ideology. They both can be and obviously are represented in the political sphere, regardless of what Jesus said Caesar should get.
cbclark4
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| Do you support he eviction of OBL critics from Mosques? |
The problem cbclark4 is one man's terrorism is another man's heroism. How well does it go down in a Texas church that the likes of Kissinger need to be careful where they choose to holiday abroad lest they get their lousy butts dragged into court to face war crime charges? |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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cbclark4
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| Do you support he eviction of OBL critics from Mosques? |
The problem cbclark4 is one man's terrorism is another man's heroism. How well does it go down in a Texas church that the likes of Kissinger need to be careful where they choose to holiday abroad lest they get their lousy butts dragged into court to face war crime charges? |
So what you are saying is that OBL is your hero?
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cerulean808
Joined: 14 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| What is there in what I've posted makes you think that might be the case cbclark4? More likely its a smear tactic cos you can't answer my argument. |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Europe will not "go muzzie". Simply because there is a huge (and I mean *beep* HUGE) majority of people there that will not allow it to happen. |
Just like they didn't allow a second world war to happen, right?
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| The muslims I've met are certainly not like nazi's in any sense, in fact they have always seemed pretty stable to me and shared the same concerns as their non-muslim neighbours. |
And most Nazis you would have met in the '30s weren't like Hitler and Goebbels either.
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| The people who remind me of nazi's are the ones who deface mosques and spit at and abuse anyone who doesn't have white skin (and that still happens a lot in England). |
Oh, not the ones who blow up busses and buildings full of people? How about the ones who chant "Death to _____ (insert the country of your choice, most usually the U.S.)?" Or maybe the ones that advocate killing people who write something bad about their "religion?" |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| What is there in what I've posted makes you think that might be the case cbclark4? More likely its a smear tactic cos you can't answer my argument. |
From your Previous post.
"one man's terrorism is another man's heroism"
Te question is; is Osama your hero?
Have I taken that from context?
No smear, what's your arguement?
cbc
Edited for spelling errors
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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BJWD
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| They ultimately know that your typical muslim has more in common with a nazi then he does a protestant or Catholic |
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Nazi ideology emerged from Christian civilisation. After all the Nazis didn't invent Jew bashing, Christians did, the Nazis organized it better. Makes a joke of the epithet 'Islamofacism': 'Christofacism' might hold some water.
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| In the end, I just post this stuff about muslims cause it makes the multicult crowd crazy. |
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Flippant remark that jarrs with the rest of your spiel. You've obviously grinding an ax about Muslims.
So what is it with the ax grinding BJWD?
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| Demographics don't lie. |
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Your stats are future projections based on current rates. Why have European birth rates dropped? That's what happens in industrialised, affluent societies. New immigrants from more traditional societies will have higher birth rates to start but if intergrated you could expect their birth rates to decline. After all they're immigrating cos they need/want a slice of the economic prosperity like we all do. However you seem to believe their motivation is to infiltrate Western Civilisation and destroy it from within by breeding like rabbits, like the Trojan Horse, some kind of humongous conspiracy. Oh noooo!
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| Islam is not like Christianity, where Ceaser is granted to him what is his. It is a political project, and must be understood as such. |
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Islam is a religious ideology, Christianity is a religious ideology. They both can be and obviously are represented in the political sphere, regardless of what Jesus said Caesar should get.
cbclark4
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| Do you support he eviction of OBL critics from Mosques? |
The problem cbclark4 is one man's terrorism is another man's heroism. How well does it go down in a Texas church that the likes of Kissinger need to be careful where they choose to holiday abroad lest they get their lousy butts dragged into court to face war crime charges? |
1) I said nothing of where nazi ideology came from. You're out of your league here. I said that they had much in common. What do you want? Jew hating? Explicit plans for another holocaust? Explicit supremacist ideas built in to the ideological system? Legions of fired up youths ready to kill and die?
Remember, I said that it "has more in common with a nazi than any Catholic or Protestant from Canada". I choose those words very carefully because, well, they are totally true yet make the mulitcult crowd crazy. And they the defenders of mulitcult respond with absurdities like "Nazi ideology emerged from Christian civilisation.", which has nothing to do with anything.
2) This is very typical of people who are unable to meaningfully critique a position. They can do one of two things: 1) attacked the messenger (al la dd) and 2) attack the motivations of the messenger (making it seem like there is some kind of nefarious motivation behind his speaking of the truth). I enjoy debating this topic because the (mostly Canadian) multicult crowd are typically fresh out of university and fired up about how 'all cultures are equal'. These are the most easy of people to toss around in a debate, and even more so when the know nothing about anything (as your typical Canucklehead fresh-out-of-uni liberal arts grad does). They know that a guy who is likely white (me) is criticizing people who are likely not white (the muslims) and that deeply offends them, regardless of the validity of the critique. They can't help themselves. Good times!
3) The statistics are true, full stop. As has been said many times, no society in the history of the world has ever recovered from a birthrate less than 1.9 (with 2.1 being necessary for population to stay constant). Did you know that some European states have populations of 1.1 (Greece and Italy, if I remember correctly,,,and the ROK). This means not only that the youthful mulsims will be running the show, but that Greek and Italian ethnicity are almost gone. In the not so distant future, the only people speaking Italian will be in Toronto and NYC, cause all the Italians in Italy will have died off due to their unwillingness to breed.
Just because the above bothers you doesn't make it any less true, does it? So, maybe the Europeans will embrace the 50,000,000,000 immigrants (the Eu's figure) needed to sustain the EU fiscally and socially, but I seriously doubt it. In 10-15 years, Europe will be as important as Latin America is now, which is, not at all.
4) Here is where you are really in need of some education. Just because Christianity and islam are both religions (in that they both worship a god), you insist that they must both have the same characteristics. Well, clearly you haven't a clue. Islam is an openly political project. There is nothing wrong or hateful about pointing out what the muslims point out every day. While, on the flipside, Christianity very clearly accords to Ceaser what is his, as the quote goes. You cannot, because you don't like the idea of a political islam, toss the truth that islam is a political ideology aside. You cannot paint an apple green and then insist that it will taste like a watermelon. Things are what they are. The political dynamic of islam is clearly explained in the koran, which being the book that of islam (submission) a muslim must follow or he/she is not a muslim.
If you want to know more about islam, get thee to a bookstore and buy the koran. It isn't like islam is some secret society whereby the rules are only shared if one knows the secret handshake. Go read about it.
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| wannago wrote: |
| tiger fancini wrote: |
| The people who remind me of nazi's are the ones who deface mosques and spit at and abuse anyone who doesn't have white skin (and that still happens a lot in England). |
Oh, not the ones who blow up busses and buildings full of people? How about the ones who chant "Death to _____ (insert the country of your choice, most usually the U.S.)?" Or maybe the ones that advocate killing people who write something bad about their "religion?" |
For the lefty, multicult types, only white people are capable of "hate". So, when a brown person blows up a bus killing a bunch of people we must fret about the "root causes" that caused this otherwise wise and noble minority to "lash out". Maybe he wanted "social programs". When they march in Western cities crying "Death to ____" that is merely an opportunity for us to hear their very justified grievances.
Opposite of this, when a mosque gets a brick thrown through the window, we ignore root causes (the bomb, the muslim rape-wave etc) and just call the white person a bad name. This is more of a psychosis than a world view. TF says that the people who break stuff at mosques are closer to Nazis because he isn't able to apply labels to non-whites.
Now, both of the above are bad (blowing up buses and tossing brick through windows) but not even close to being equally bad. Yet, TF focused on the one and not the other. He has been trained to do so. It isn't really his fault. But the pattern of behavior displayed by him in this situation is exactly why the muslims will be able to take over some EU nations. Weakness and self-hatred will not stop a very culturally confident "other" from asserting himself over you. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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The political dynamic of islam is clearly explained in the koran, which being the book that of islam (submission) a muslim must follow or he/she is not a muslim.
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Could you explain for the unenlightened which parts of the Koran apply to the Shi'as, which to the Sunnis and which to the Sufis? Where do the Wahabis and the moderate Indonesians fit into the picture?
And while you are at it, could you tell us which madrasa you got your imam turban from? |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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All of the Koran apply to all muslims. The two main factions disagree about questions of lineage and such. The Wahabis are crazy, and the "moderate Indonesians" (maybe you want to do a google news search on that topic, as if that is what passes for moderate, we are all screwed) less so.
But hey! Avoid the main point and nitpick! Yay! |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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The Wahabis I thought, followed a tradition that separates church and state to some very small degree.
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wannago
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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The Wahabis I thought, followed a tradition that separates church and state to some very small degree.
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the Wahabis are the ones the Saudi royals must kowtow to and are constantly stirring trouble in that area. They are the pro-veil wearing, no woman driving, no churches on saudi soil, infidels out crowd. |
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Wrench
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| ISLAM = Cancer |
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ddeubel
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"we are all going to hell in a hand basket if we don't blow them all to hell.."
Justify that, or apologize. |
BJWD,
Last reply to you. I won't apologize for confronting your ill and black vision of Muslims and your FIXATION which continues to just promote an uneducated, inhuman and just plainly stupid view of a part of humanity.
Your fixation goes back months, especially recently your litany of provocative photos and almost every thread you've brought back to some form of "the Muslim culture and religion is horrid, they shouldn't have babies , they hate the west etc...." Wrong.
And your Malthusian prognostics went out over a century ago...so get up to speed and how cultures adapt and change. As for Europe, I think Timothy Garton Ash would be a good read for you (but of course, I linked this ages ago...makes no difference. but the guy does know what he writes about and has lived it.). He characterizes your own gestalt...
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| Europe's difficulties with its Muslims are also the subject of hysterical oversimplification, especially in the United States, where stereotypes of a spineless, anti-American, anti-Semitic "Eurabia," increasingly in thrall to Arab/Islamic domination, seem to be gaining strength.[2] As an inhabitant of Eurabia, I must insist on a few elementary distinctions. For a start, are we talking about Islam, Muslims, Islamists, Arabs, immigrants, darker-skinned people, or terrorists? These are seven different things. |
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/19371
I'd also add that Muslims are changing and they do adapt remarkably well within many cultures around the world. Islam is not one homogenous thing. In Europe, you will find that the next generations of children will be different and will be slowly making an accomodation between their "religion/culture" and European values in large.....this bodes well for the future, for us all. Not as your end game , apocrophal notions of doomsday, like some street shouter evangilist, professions do..........
If you don't like reading, I'll recommend some films if you ask........
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thepeel
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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My fixation, yes.
You said my position was
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| "we are all going to hell in a hand basket if we don't blow them all to hell.." |
I've never said anything of the sort. At worst, I have advocated a round of deportations in Europe but so do most Europeans. But, you tried to make me look like some kind of wannabe genocidal maniac. You lied, and this post is how you explain that away, eh? I get it. I know your type.
The muslilm religion is horrid. But there are many different muslim cultures. You should really be wary of lumping them all together, eh?
Where have I ever said muslims
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More lies form the white guy with a black guy for an avatar so he can leech of the black dudes cred. Muslims can do what they want so long as they don't politicize their religion in Western nations.
Malthusian prognostics. You know, I study economics and am quite familiar with Malthus. Are you? He said that humans would run out of food because we screw too much. By the by, he was wrong due to his inability to predict innovation. So, where does that fit in with my mathematically valid claim that Europe is going to be muslim majority before 100 years?
Let me put in simply. The two are unrelated, and you don't have a clue what you are talking about.
In other words, you used the name of somebody whose ideas you don't understand, merely because you like to throw lots of syllables into your sentences to look smarter than you are.
I bet you aren't even the least bit familiar with Malthus, but will make a quick trip to wikipedia to look as if you are.
Malthus wanted to restrict population growth, and I want Euros to have more kids. Bah, you are so easy it is laughable dd.
Keep em' coming DD, I enjoy schooling your pretentious arse. |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:48 am Post subject: |
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| DD won't apologize. The moment he kept insisting that Hitler was a Christian, I stopped taking him seriously. He is unapologetically anti-christian and anti-west. |
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