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Shagging on the first date
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adventureman



Joined: 18 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wrench wrote:
Hmm I have a male and I have no interest with shaging with any one on the first date. UNLES I know and trust this person. Even then if I respect her to much I will not be so easily persuaded into sex. Frankly I have lost 95% of my interest in sex. Not sure maybe because I spend most of my Testostorone in the gym and have absolutley nothing left for anything else. Then ofcourse I hate people as well and I rather not be around them unless I have to be. "No man is an Island" well I am. I just don't want to be around people.


You sound slightly creepy. Did you stand in the corner by yourself shuffling your feet nervously while your date went off and mingled with all the jocks during your high school prom?
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kimchi story



Joined: 23 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah jeez, I dunno wrench - shaggin' the ones I know and trust has always been a problem. I try and avoid that and just sleep with girls I sorta know, am learning to trust - and lust for in the biggest way.

You do sound kinda down, there. G'luck.
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R-Seoul



Joined: 23 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wrench wrote:
Hmm I have a male and I have no interest with shaging with any one on the first date. UNLES I know and trust this person. Even then if I respect her to much I will not be so easily persuaded into sex. Frankly I have lost 95% of my interest in sex. Not sure maybe because I spend most of my Testostorone in the gym and have absolutley nothing left for anything else. Then ofcourse I hate people as well and I rather not be around them unless I have to be. "No man is an Island" well I am. I just don't want to be around people.


You remind me of a young Henry Rollins
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Grimalkin



Joined: 22 May 2005

PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mnhnhyouh wrote:
I have had a one night stand turn into a 7 1/2 year relationship, the longest I have had. The current (about to end as I move to Korea) relationship has been going for nearly 6 years, and it started with a co-worker wanting a shag, and I was there Smile


You're obviously doing it wrong....lol! Laughing



Seriously tho' Kermo It may well be a lack of confidence on the part of the guy.

I've had one night stands where the guy has given me his phone number afterwards but I was sure he was doing it just to be polite so I didn't phone. Then some time later I've run in to him again and it's clear to me from his attitude that he was pissed I didn't call (and usually the more I'm attracted to him the more I'll convince myself that he gave me his number only to be polite!).
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Wrench



Joined: 07 Apr 2005

PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think very much like a woman. I'm not gay. I was raised by them since I was born, so I guess the social breeding is really imbeded in me.

I just read Men are from mars and women are from venus. I sure am not from Mars. I'm a broken person(men) in that case.

I was also raised for ten years in Eastern europe so a lot of the value/morals are from there. They are also not from the Masculin side either.

I love woman but I don't trust them because I was abandoned by them. I love mens company but can't stand them as close friends because I was physicaly abused by them. (One of the reasons I don't want to have kids of my own)

I am not gay but I am torn between the two genders because of my upbringing. So sex and gender roles have a completley different definitions in imho.
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two words for you, Wrench:

"Therapy."


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Wrench



Joined: 07 Apr 2005

PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

R-Seoul wrote:
Wrench wrote:
Hmm I have a male and I have no interest with shaging with any one on the first date. UNLES I know and trust this person. Even then if I respect her to much I will not be so easily persuaded into sex. Frankly I have lost 95% of my interest in sex. Not sure maybe because I spend most of my Testostorone in the gym and have absolutley nothing left for anything else. Then ofcourse I hate people as well and I rather not be around them unless I have to be. "No man is an Island" well I am. I just don't want to be around people.


You remind me of a young Henry Rollins


Sorry Looked at Henry Rollins but I don't understand this analogy.
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Wrench



Joined: 07 Apr 2005

PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Two words for you, Wrench:

"Therapy."


Trust me I tried.

I can't change what I am I just have to deal with and adapt to it. Isolation is just the easiest way of dealing with my problems. I like my self I am a very strong individual I frankly don't care what any one else thinks. I am a very unique individual.
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wrench wrote:
Trust me I tried...


That is fine. I believe in Nietzsche. Everyone must go their own way. I even like being alone and seeing films alone, too. In fact, I was just with a group of people who drove me crazy with the "I don't know, where do you want to go?" routine for about twenty minutes before I lost patience and finally told them where we were going...

But not enjoying women...? I don't know, Wrench. I cannot imagine life without women. I love being with women, even when they babble and all I have to say is "yes" every-so-often.

If you do not enjoy women, as you describe, maybe you know the wrong women or maybe something is wrong. And what you wrote above reads like something is wrong.

And CrazyLemonGirl: there are no issues with shagging on the first date. Some men are troubled by what is called the Madonna-*beep* dichotomy. And it is them and not you. (Just as it goes without saying that some women are troubled by their own issues, no?)


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Wrench



Joined: 07 Apr 2005

PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love women I enjoy them as well. I do have sex. Its a trust issue with me.
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mateomiguel



Joined: 16 May 2005

PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never shagged on the first date. I just can't do the increased-intimacy dance that fast. I think its because I'm just forgetful and don't take advantage of every single opening I find. I once shagged on the second date, and usually by the 4th or 5th if its going anywhere it goes. But just on the first date? I don't think I even want to.

I'm a big softie, I just want to be appreciated for my mind, not my enormous... other attributes.
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Grimalkin



Joined: 22 May 2005

PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wrench wrote:
Gopher wrote:
Two words for you, Wrench:

"Therapy."


Trust me I tried.

I can't change what I am I just have to deal with and adapt to it. Isolation is just the easiest way of dealing with my problems. I like my self I am a very strong individual I frankly don't care what any one else thinks. I am a very unique individual.


Being alone may well be part of the healing process you need to go thro' at the moment. It doesn't mean you have to isolate yourself forever. And therapy can often be a lottery depending on how good your therapist is and whether or not you're ready for it (and even when you do find a good therapist you can trust I still don't think it's a good idea to ever hand over complete control to them).

The key is to get insight (a true understanding of how what happened to you and how it is affecting you now). It's possible in some cases for some people to get this on their own, others need to get it from a therapist and others can get it thro' working together with a therapist.

It's also important not to get side-tracked by issues like anger. You're entitled to your anger but don't let it get in your way.

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I like my self I am a very strong individual
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It's great that you have this going for you. It gives me a lot of hope for you. Smile
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