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Better dive/vacation: Borneo or Phillipines?

 
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Masta_Don



Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Hyehwa-dong, Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:18 pm    Post subject: Better dive/vacation: Borneo or Phillipines? Reply with quote

I'm trying to plan my winter break now (Feb.) and decided I want to get certified to scuba dive. Money's not really an issue since I think I can afford either place. What do you guys recommend for a white guy travelling by himself for a week? And please feel free to make suggestions on what to do/where to go once there.

I can handle strange food (although not a big fan of seafood but can't really get away from it in Asia) and grungy accomodations.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Better dive/vacation: Borneo or Phillipines? Reply with quote

Masta_Don wrote:
I'm trying to plan my winter break now (Feb.) and decided I want to get certified to scuba dive. Money's not really an issue since I think I can afford either place. What do you guys recommend for a white guy travelling by himself for a week? And please feel free to make suggestions on what to do/where to go once there.

I can handle strange food (although not a big fan of seafood but can't really get away from it in Asia) and grungy accomodations.


You CAN have your cake and eat it too.

For the grand sum of about w500k you can get a week in a nice resort on Alona beach (Bohol) ( http://www.bohol.ph ) AND your PADI open water certification.
http://www.wowphilippines.com.ph/explore_phil/place_details.asp?content=famousefor&province=39#Pang

Bump that up by a couple hundred k and you can do a 5* resort and certification in Cebu.
http://www.cebucitytourism.com/index2.html

Personally, I would avoid the northern Philippines (Manila and vicinity). There is lots of great diving in the Central Phils, prices are very reasonable and you still have all the modern conveniences at hand.

An alternative is Boracay. Decent hotels, good prices, easy to get your certification, decent diving and a bit of a party atmosphere for the evenings.
http://www.wowphilippines.com.ph/explore_phil/place_details.asp?content=famousefor&province=98#Bora


Just my 20 won worth.
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Moldy Rutabaga



Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea

PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diving central when I was in the Philippines seemed to be Sabang, Puerto Galera, about three hours and a boat south of Manila. It had pretty coral and was full of German divers. It's not as family-friendly as Boracay with all the working girls there for the divers, but maybe there's more nightlife than Boracay.

Filipino food itself is not exciting and is too sugary, but both spots have a wide selection of foreign restaurants and cheap accommodations, although I found Puerto Galera cheaper and less touristy. If I were single and wanted authentic diving I would go there, but I haven't been to Bohol so I can't say anything about there.

Ken:>
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Natalia



Joined: 10 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Purely from a holiday point of view (I don't dive) - Borneo all the way. There is a lot more to see and do. The orang-utans and the tribal cultures and the mix of people (including a significant group of people from the Philippines). And all those different people result in some really great food.

But I suppose that's of no use if you simply want to go diving.
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Delirium's Brother



Joined: 08 May 2006
Location: Out in that field with Rumi, waiting for you to join us!

PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Jacques Cousteau declared the Tukang Besi Islands as the probably finest diving site in the world when he conducted an expedition through Indonesia several years ago (refer to Periplus Travel Guide 'Underwater Indonesia', Page 185).


Tukang Besi Archipelago, Sulawesi, Indonesia. I've never dove there, but I hear it's five or six steps beyond fantastic. It's a bit of a trek to get there; but it's very unspoilled. If you're a hardcore diver or want to become one then this is the place that will make all your dive buddies go, "ooooh" in admiration of your total level of cool.

This part of Indonesia is extremely safe too. I lived close by on Muna Island for a year, in 2000. Not much of a party place, trust me, but the diving is awesome and the food actually `normal' by Western standards. There's also decent diving out of other sites on Sulawesi, like Buton and Manado, I hear.

Hearsay is the best I can do, I only snorkel.
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J.B. Clamence



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sabang is kind of a hole. Lots of old German dudes with barely legals they have rented for the week. And I'll never forget my early morning walks before the diving and having the mood interrupted by all the hookers leaving their Johns' hotels where they had spent the night. I've met some divers who went there to dive and had to leave after a few days because they just couldn't handle the vibe. Having said that, if you don't mind that type of atmosphere, then Sabang is an excellent value for diving. The diving is nice and it's cheap. There are lots of really cheap dive hotels that actually take care of all your diving for you. And the dive sites are 5-10 minutes by motorboat from the hotel. It's a very convenient setup. And it's only about 3 hours from Manila.

In Borneo, everyone knows the place to dive is Sipadan. Sipadan is widely considered to be one of the top 5 dive destinations in the world. However, it's incredibly hard to get there as you have to take multiple flights, a bus, and a boat to get there, and needless to say, it's not cheap.

If you're just getting certified, don't go for a top destination because you won't really enjoy it much because the course will have you doing other things. I would say go to the Philippines to get certified. After your course is over, spend a week or two there diving (take advantage of the prices and build your experience). Then when you're ready to be blown away, shell out some dough and go to a world-class dive destination like Sipadan, Palau, Similan Islands (Thailand), etc. You will enjoy the top expensive places much more if you are already a trained and experienced diver.

As for me, I'm off to the Similans on Friday. Very Happy
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Masta_Don



Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Hyehwa-dong, Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So between Sabang and Bohol what do you guys recommend? It seems like I have to choose between diving and nightlife. Is that so? I guess I would pick diving since that's the goal of this trip but a good balance would be nice.

Also I really want to go to Borneo instead. If I only have a week is diving going to take all my time? Borneo just seems like more of an adventure but I don't know if I'll have time to appreciate it.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Masta_Don wrote:
So between Sabang and Bohol what do you guys recommend? It seems like I have to choose between diving and nightlife. Is that so? I guess I would pick diving since that's the goal of this trip but a good balance would be nice.

Also I really want to go to Borneo instead. If I only have a week is diving going to take all my time? Borneo just seems like more of an adventure but I don't know if I'll have time to appreciate it.


Bohol / Alona beach give you a nice balance of both. It is easily accessable by air from Korea (ICN-MNL) international flight and then a short 70 minute domestic flight (MNL-TAG).

Alona beach is an easy 30 minute drive from Tagbilarn city to give you access to some western (albeit US type products) type shopping.

There are a few bars and clubs on the beach as well. You will find a few European tourists (older couples and families) as well as some of the young guys enjoying their time on the beach.

The diving is pretty decent and all within easy access ranging from a 200 meter swim from the beach to a 90 minute boat ride.

If you want a day off from diving there are other alternatives (island tour, shopping, etc) as well.

If you want great daytime diving and night time hookers, then Sabang is your calling.
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wormholes101



Joined: 11 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would definitely recommend Philippines over Borneo for doing an open water course. Borneo instructors are mostly local and in my opinion are pretty shady lazy dudes who won't teach you very well. You'll end up being amenace to yourself and others. Philippines on the other hand has quite a selection of expat instructors who are generally more dedicated to their profession.

As mentioned by others, with the limited time you have you wight wanna go for something closer to Manila such as Sabang rather than head all the way down to Bohol. Although Bohol has amazing diving, you won't know what you are missing, it's like trying 24 year old scotch as your first whiskey. You'll have a great time in Sabang.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wormholes101 wrote:
I would definitely recommend Philippines over Borneo for doing an open water course. Borneo instructors are mostly local and in my opinion are pretty shady lazy dudes who won't teach you very well. You'll end up being amenace to yourself and others. Philippines on the other hand has quite a selection of expat instructors who are generally more dedicated to their profession.

As mentioned by others, with the limited time you have you wight wanna go for something closer to Manila such as Sabang rather than head all the way down to Bohol. Although Bohol has amazing diving, you won't know what you are missing, it's like trying 24 year old scotch as your first whiskey. You'll have a great time in Sabang.


Pal flies a 737 twice a day from Manila to Bohol (8am and 4pm if I remember) so it is just as easy to get to (maybe easier) than Sabang.

You can also fly on Asian Spirit daily.
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ThePoet



Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: No longer in Korea - just lurking here

PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last February, I went to Sabang beach / Puerto Galera and I certified in PADI Open Water, Advanced Open Water, and Underwater Photography. I went back in June to certify in Deep Diving, Wreck Diving, and Nitrox. I will be going this February to get my Night Dive certification and have some fun dives.

I really recommend Frontier Divers at Sabang Beach. A lot of ex-pats have used Frontier and it was recommended to me. I can see why. The staff is super friendly, accomodating, and helpful. You can visit their website at: http://www.frontierscuba.com/cf/c-cont.html

Rick at Frontier can arrange accomodation for you but right next to Frontier Divers is a hotel called the Triton. And if you go there for a month, you can have an air-conditioned room with hot showers for 16,000 pesos (320$) for the whole month. Other than that it is about $1000 pesos a day (20$). There are lots of great places to eat...just down the beach from Fronteir is Captain Greggs. They have a barbeque every night...you can get a one pound ribeye or T-bone with an AYCE salad bar for around 10 dollars. There are lots of good places to eat western or filipino.

You can get to Sabang very cheaply. If you go to the Swagman hotel and get their "Fly the bus" package, you can go from the swagman to Sabang for 500 pesos (10 dollars) and back for the same price. But I would not recommend the Swagman to stay if you stay for a night or two in Manila...overpriced. There is a hotel about 3 blocks away called Cherry Blossoms which has aircon rooms for 28 dollars a night. Check out the "fly the bus" package at: http://www.swaggy.com/swaggy/hotels/travel2.htm. For some reason they do not list the Manila - Sabang route, but it is still there.

If you want to see pictures of Sabang and some underwater creatures, go to my photos at: http://www.casey-allen.net/photographs.htm and click on Philippines 1 or Philippines 2

I hope that helps with your decision...and if you do go to Sabang in February, email me and we can get together for a san-mig.

Poet
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