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[R. S. Refugee]

[cbclark4]

"BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - The Iraqi president said Sunday the bipartisan U.S. report calling for a new approach to the war offered dangerous recommendations that would undermine his country's sovereignty and were "an insult to the people of Iraq."

President Jalal Talabani was the most senior government official to take a stand against the Iraq Study Group report, which has come under criticism from leaders of the governing Shiite and Kurdish parties.

He said the report "is not fair, is not just, and it contains some very dangerous articles which undermine the sovereignty of Iraq and the constitution." "

http://apnews.myway.com//article/20061210/D8LU11RG0.html

Suggestions are dangerous things.

I suggest leaving now, they don't want US there.

cbc

[inseoul]

Oh dear, the WWII argument.

The Us did not enter the war intially with a view to helping out at all, it was only once they faced the very reel threat of a totiliterian regime stretching from East and Western Europe down through the Pacific. Then they stepped in.

Nation building is a two way street and I am sure the US economy has benefited equally from the growth in Germany, Japan and Korea.

These arguments are obsolete.

Unless America signed some kind of deal with the rest of the World that said: we will "help" you guys out of a bind now, but you must realize that we will then become the Worlds only superpower and may decide to start invading other Countries for our own benefit and undermining some of the freedoms and human rights that we currently purport to defend.

You can argue about the past as much as you please, but it doesnt change the fact that now, America is really screwing up. And so many of its citizens seem like half baked obese rednecks, indoctrinated by their own education system and media into believing that the World really appreciates their meddling.

Russia also helped in WWII but we dont have an obligation to do as they decide for us.

In fact we have an obligation to try and insure the US doesnt make decisions based on geed and abue of power. We may as well all be under Hitler if we dont.

Its possible Hitler could have done a better job in the Middle East.

I suspect and hope what we will see is the growth in power of other nations which serves as a counterbalance to the current US abuse of power, and eventually forces them to moderare their policies and even its citizens to seek more answers outisde of their TV sets and borders, and then reflect that "real education" in the way they vote and run their Country.

I know America has all the glamor and fantasy within its borders, and NYC, LA, Chicago and Vegas (etc...) seem to show us all how we should really be living, but the truth is that these Cities and places are in effect "defended" and allowed to thrive by means such as having thousands and thousandsa of uneducated redneck styled Yanks based in military camps spanning the globe (and the slightly more educated hords of English teachers in Asia).

As with British dominance in the 19 Century, it was first maintained by use of large armies and warships, governer generals etc etc....As other Countries became more powerful, the British were forced back into their own borders and had little option but to learn to be diplomatic. Classic examples of this were in India and Argentina.

It bwouldnt surprise me if alot of Yanks over really thought Aussie and NZ (and possible even Canada) actually are controled by the UK and the Queen. When in fact, even the UK isnt controled by the Queen anymore, let alone the "colonies".

In 22 years living in a "colony", I never witnessed any decision forced upon its citizens by the UK or Queen. There would be an outright mutiny if they tried. A real Boston Tea Party.

In conclusion, the current situation is not ideal. We have an obearing superpower, who bends the rules in its favor when its economy looks in doubt, or oil supplies like uncertain. It is literally full of indoctrinated citizens who have been fed obsolete crap about the rest of the World since birth, and who's major argument in defense of any mistake they make is " look how much we helped in WWII", or "yeah but your Country doesnt do anythign anyway".

In the next 20 years will see the surge of power in Asia and quiet possible even Russia again, coupled with the quiet acheivements of the EU and the US will simply have to seek more diplomacy in order to fucntion (as the British had to do). Talk of a foreign exchange regime in East Asia and the quiet rise of the Euro, all point to this.

In the meantime, it is no great secret that we are having to put up with the death throws of the lone superpower, as it tries to use its weight to hold onto what it had. With all its beautiful and powerful people locked securely away in large City fortresses, and its "peasants" and "throw away citizens" if you will, with their bent /distorted views of the World roaming the "industrial" outposts of Korea and the likes. And of course the less intelligent but more over bearing military outposts, whos essential fucntion is to make sure containers flow freely from that Country's ports into safe waters and back to the Mother Land- where they feast.

[bucheon bum]

congrats inseoul, you are the poster i read the least on this forum now. You've surpassed IGTG. Good job.

[cbclark4]

[cbclark4]

[inseoul]

[ddeubel]

On topic. I wrote in another thread how I admired the columns of James Carroll over Freaky Friedman . Well, today there was an excellent example of how level headed he is and how he doesn't dance with just the momentary winds/whims.......

Never mind that I don't think his assessment of the report as being "frank"....rather I see it as just another last grasp of viagrites to keep the hardon on , a little longer. Cute bed talk in the meantime.

Read and make your own assessment.

DD

[cbclark4]

In the absence of the American Military what would be the likely occurance?

What would Turkey do? Syria? Iran? Jordan? etc?

Civil war

An al-Qaeda stronghold

A Shi'a theocracy

a three way split country

A regional Sunni - Shi'a conflict

The return of the Ottoman Empire

cbc

[inseoul]

forget where you come from.

i will imagine for a minute that i am an american.

my view would be the same.

just because america holds up alot of troubled regions/places, doesnt mean we should have to put up with the kind of crap we have seen in recent years.

just bcos america helped in WWII doesnt mean we should have to support it blindly in this debarcle.

the decisions where wrong to begin with, they are still wrong (if not outright criminal)

it is simply frustrating for me when i turn on the TV and see, three years down the track (having known it was blooddy mistake to begin with) that washington has just spent another 1million dollars hiring a bunch of old farts with known names (very well described by another poster as "the viagrites"...hoping to get some media attention and keep their hard-ons), who just regurgitate all the same crap circling around anyway, and nothing chnages at all. Everyday another 100 or so violent deaths in Iraq.

The issue should not be so much what should we do. The issue i think should be more about how was this allowed to happen and what should we do to make sure it never happens again.

Colin Powel must be cringing at his TV set every evening watching this unfold exactly as he knew it would. They fired one the few people who could have told them what would really happen. In fact I guess thats why they did.

But then again, if I really was an American, and was bought up in an American white middle class environment, maybe I would also be full of all the same b/s and indoctrination that seems to lead the average numbskull US citizen to believe that invading Iraq (or any Country in the middle east for that matter) was a good idea.

It is simply frustrating to me that the World's "greatest Country" can be so goddamn stupid.

Can anyone explain to me why citizens from Countries all over the World felt that invading Iraq was the wrong thing to do (again, if not totally criminal in nature), whilst the World's "greatest democracy" put a president in power who wished to do so, allowed him to do so (on false pretence as we now know well) and even voted for him a second time?

The only reason I can think of is that Americans as a whole are so concerned simply with the own consumption, that any idea that seems to resonate with the fear of losing that life style or level of consumption, seems like a good one.

And that my friends is a sad state for the World.

My view of America and Americans is that of an overfed bunch of empty-headed fools who really do live in relative fear of the rest of the World.

I have said this before actually, but there is a classic tale in the book "Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy" in which a planet in a far off galaxy, secretely planned to put all service sector workers on a space ship and tell them they had to leave the Country (along with everyone else in another space ship) before it exploded. They drifted off aimlessly into space and never realized all the others had actually styed behind and their was not threat. Thus leaving the smarter and more productive people on the planet to thrive.

Sure, there would be some adjustments to make, but imagine the weight off the planet's resources with 250,000,000 odd overweight Americans less to worry about (and feed).

As for the other 50,000,000, probably hard working migrants from other Countries who could well be left behind to help clean up a little. You could even leave the druggies and alcoholics as they would just fade out anyway. Homemless people do not consume much.

I'm not suggesting this will happen or that I wish for any great disaster or anything, but I do think its a valid point to make. It makes you consider the true value of the American people (and arguably the rest of the white middle class world also).

Send them off into space, ship millions of Chinese and Indian porpers into the Country to pick up a pitch fold and farm the land, drive the trucks etc....pay them $3/hour.

Simply let the entire insurance, banking and media industries collapse over night, as all the do is sustain those middle class people anyway, so they would no longer be needed.

The dollar collapses too of course so foreign nations need some warning to prepare which could be a catch 22 situation: if we warn everyone, those yanks might not step on the spaceship to begin with.

What would be the economic gain to the world in terms of resources/oil/food/clothing/ electricity, coffee etc etc of 250,000,000 middle class Americans leaving earth on an permenant space mission to no where in particular?

[On the other hand]

[Gopher]

[Ya-ta Boy]

Is inseoul Big Bird's illiterate little brother?

[inseoul]

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This is exactly why many of us Americans who might otherwise be interested in a productive exchange of views with the international community and even leftist American critics recoil from such "discussions."[/quote]

that is exactly why it is too late already for your average american to bother exchaging dlialogue.

if you felt like speaking about it, it was 3 years ago.

all lazy ass indoctrinated fools. wouldnt have a clue who runs their country or why.

[mnhnhyouh]