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igotthisguitar
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Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Please? Pretty please with cherries and 9/11youtubevids on top?
Camon. Just one citation. I wanna know who is organizating a cull of humanity. I wanna know who is the uber genocidal maniac.
I don't know where to go to investigate crazy. Point me in the right direction. |
Well, why not start with an internet search engine?
Population & reduction would be two "key" words.
That magic 500 million figure would be another likely helpful bit to get you digging. |
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Junior
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 6:36 am Post subject: |
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| What was this thread about? |
In the end it rose to its real utility and debated whether or not Junior is a d**kless twit. The overwhelming answer was YES. |
But you have to admit it was funny.
Your furry friend must know what "TIMBER" means before gnawing 
Hows old yatah this weather? I do miss your long winded diary entries on here. Being farmed out to the sticks must have been very emotional. |
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thebum
Joined: 09 Jan 2005
Location: North Korea
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 6:37 am Post subject: |
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| obligagory: http://www.vhemt.org/ (the voluntary human extinction movement) |
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insamjunkie
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 6:56 am Post subject: |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:58 am Post subject: |
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| That isn't bat-shit crazy at all! |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:04 am Post subject: |
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I originally wrote this in another thread, but it looks appropriate here as well.
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Not too long ago I read this book:
Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed, by Jared Diamond
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| What really counts is not the number of people alone, but their impact on the environment. [...] On the average, each citizen of the U.S., western Europe, and Japan consumes 32 times more resources such as fossil fuels, and puts out 32 times more wastes, than do inhabitants of the Third World. [...] But low-impact people are becoming high-impact people ... [T]he biggest problem is the increase in total human impact, as the result of rising Third World living standards, and of Third World individuals moving to the First World and adopting First World living standards. There are many "optimists" who argue that the world could support double its human population, and who consider only the increase in human numbers and not the average increase in per-capita impact. But I have not met anyone who seriously argues that the world could support 12 times its current impact, althugh an increase of that factor would result from all Third World inhabitants adopting First World living standards. (That factor of 12 is less than the factor of 32 that I mentioned in the preceding paragraph, because there are already First World inhabitants with high-impact lifestyles, although they are greatly outnumbered by Third World inhabitants.) Even if the people of China alone achieved a First World living standard while everyone else's living standard remained constant, that would double our human impact on the world. |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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| mithridates wrote: |
Imagine the following:
A: Hello motorized rickshaw driver making a dollar a day to feed your family of four. You are ruining the environment. Please upgrade your vehicle and think about the Earth. Buy higher octane gas too even if it means your family starves.
B: Hello rich single Californian with loads of money to spare. You are ruining the environment. Your governor also agrees with me. Buy a hybrid please.
Something tells me B is more likely to listen. |
Sorry, but I think that this is a rather poor example. We don't really need to talk to the rickshaw driver because his impact on the environment probably isn't that great. If he's living on a dollar a day, he probably isn't using too much more of the earth's resources than he needs. Even when he's driving his rickshaw, there are usually two people in it (himself and his passenger). Compare that to a North American who'll drive his big-@ss SUV, by himself, to the supermarket to buy fried chicken and frozen pizza, which he'll eat in front of his TV with a wall-sized screen and mega-speakers. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| Troll_Bait wrote: |
| mithridates wrote: |
Imagine the following:
A: Hello motorized rickshaw driver making a dollar a day to feed your family of four. You are ruining the environment. Please upgrade your vehicle and think about the Earth. Buy higher octane gas too even if it means your family starves.
B: Hello rich single Californian with loads of money to spare. You are ruining the environment. Your governor also agrees with me. Buy a hybrid please.
Something tells me B is more likely to listen. |
Sorry, but I think that this is a rather poor example. We don't really need to talk to the rickshaw driver because his impact on the environment probably isn't that great. If he's living on a dollar a day, he probably isn't using too much more of the earth's resources than he needs. Even when he's driving his rickshaw, there are usually two people in it (himself and his passenger). Compare that to a North American who'll drive his big-@ss SUV, by himself, to the supermarket to buy fried chicken and frozen pizza, which he'll eat in front of his TV with a wall-sized screen and mega-speakers. |
Perhaps I chose the wrong western country. A better example of a developed country that is doing something (and is capable of doing something because they are developed and well-educated) about their environmental impact is Denmark, which has 23% of its electricity generated by wind power. Without the economic leeway to choose to spend the extra money on developing wind power (at least in the 90s when it was much more expensive) a country might just choose to stick with cheap and easy coal. |
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