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thepeel
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Yeah, it is quite good.
Perhaps Glain would say that the conditions that you have mentioned have only delayed the inevitable? Demographics are very hard to ignore... |
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Junior
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:30 am Post subject: |
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| BJWD wrote: |
Yeah, it is quite good.
Perhaps Glain would say that the conditions that you have mentioned have only delayed the inevitable? Demographics are very hard to ignore... |
Do you think the shift is a moving away from Islam, or is it just a moving toward democracy? bearing in mind the two are probably incompatible |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:35 am Post subject: |
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| The insinuation from the book is that Iran will become less obediently muslim. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:22 am Post subject: |
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| BJWD wrote: |
| The insinuation from the book is that Iran will become less obediently muslim. |
Would be nice to see a Zoroastrian revival to boot. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think that we should in a very straight forward fashion assume that the youth of Iran will become "less religious". What is a term hard to define and I don't think this will be the case.
They will become more and more adamant that Iran respect their constitution which supports all Iranians in a legal fashion -- as the basis of their rights. This in no way means Iranians will be "less religious" just as Americans can't be deemed less religious because they have a legal system based on secular and human rights (thanks to Madison...so long ago and now being shat on).
Iran is a mullahtocracy (not a theocracy) and I do withdraw my comment about its democracy. It is only democratic in appearance and on the local level. There is no right of repeal which is the foundation of democracy, as well as a free standing of candidates. But I would also hesitate to label Iran totally intolerant and the mullahs have shown some signs of awakening to the future - even some advocating a respect for human rights and a decrease in their own powers.
Here is a great view on the future of Iran by a respected and suffered Iranian dissident. Very hopeful. She is well aware how the war, those hundreds of thousands who died, stunted her country's development. But she is also aware how now many women are in situations of power, how many Iranians are traveling as never before and bringing back democratic values. She is aware how education is transforming the youth.
Emadeddin Baghi writes,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59941-2004Oct24.html
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Many people in the West believe that the deadlock in Iran's domestic politics blocks any hope for societal reform. But from my viewpoint here in Iran, there is hope. Let me tell you why.
Society itself, not the government, creates change. And there are deep transformations occurring in Iran. Out of sight of much of the world, Iran is inching its way toward democracy. |
A good read.
I also read much about Iran at Open Democracy. They have some great articles from Iranian dissidents to former presidential candidate Khatami.
One of note is Mohsen Sazegara, a former student revolutionary (like Ahmandinejad) and high ranking govt official now critic and able communicator of the future of Iran. He writes very clearly about the problems and the needs of Iran. In part he writes,
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| The demand that Iran�s government is open and transparent about its weapons programme is much less important than whether Iran can have an open and transparent political and constitutional system that the Iranian people themselves can trust. This is where trust starts: it can�t be imposed from outside. Indeed, the danger of this diversion is that it will harden the regime and even strengthen support for it, the very opposite of what should be happening. |
http://www.opendemocracy.net/debates/article-3-128-2413.jsp
A necessary read and I'd also recommend reading Khatami's own articles about Iran, post last election.
DD |
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The Hammer
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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Oh Hammer I'm laughing my arse off watching that!  |
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The Hammer
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Oh Hammer I'm laughing my arse off watching that! |
Me 2 Bird! I'm glad you enjoyed it! |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:12 am Post subject: |
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That was class.
Thankyou~
Just imagine! Half the worlds poor benighted creatures have not even heard rave music. |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:09 am Post subject: |
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Added that one to my youtube favs.
cbc |
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