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Octavius Hite



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:35 pm    Post subject: IMF suggests Ottawa should raise GST Reply with quote

I disagreed with the GST cut in the first place but this is just further proof that Harper's Bush LIte tax plan is pure BS.


http://www.canada.com/topics/finance/briefing/story.html?id=effd4b4f-227c-4c63-b116-2004b1ca623c

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OTTAWA -- Ottawa should raise, not cut, the GST, the International Monetary Fund suggests.

�The government�s intention to lower the tax burden is appropriate,� the world�s lender of last resort says in a report card on the Canadian economy and monetary policies released Wednesday.

However, the cuts should be in personal and corporate income taxes, it adds.

�Marginal income tax rates are high by international standards, suggesting that reductions in this area would provide larger efficiency gains than further cuts to the goods and services tax,� the IMF says. �Indeed, with population aging implying a steady lowering in the ratio of workers to the overall population, there is a case for increasing the role of consumption taxes in the overall revenue effort.�

The Conservative government cut the rate on the GST to six per cent from seven per cent in its first budget and promised a further cut later, but raised the rate on personal income taxes.

The IMF also urges the provinces to establish a common securities regulator, to harmonize their sales taxes with the GST, and recommends Ottawa include provincial natural resource revenues in calculating equalization payments.

The otherwise positive IMF report, applauds promises in the recent federal budget update to use interest savings from debt reduction to lower personal income taxes, and to achieve the lowest marginal effective tax rate on new investment among the Group of Seven major industrial countries.

Meanwhile, the IMF is more upbeat about the outlook for the Canadian economy than most forecasters here, including the Bank of Canada.

�The strong performance of the Canadian economy appears likely to continue, notwithstanding some recent slowing in growth,� it says.
� CanWest News Service 2006
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about a thread about Canada that doesn't reference Bush? Just a thought.
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Octavius Hite



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No apologies, Canadian media and political parties regularly refer to him as bush lite so its not just me bashing Bush, this is about Canadian economic policy, not the chronic Dave's American persecution complex.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
How about a thread about Canada that doesn't reference Bush? Just a thought.


For OH? Impossible.
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Octavius Hite wrote:
No apologies, Canadian media and political parties regularly refer to him as bush lite so its not just me bashing Bush, this is about Canadian economic policy, not the chronic Dave's American persecution complex.


I don't care about the American persecution complex but Bush Lite seems to be scraping the bottom of the barrel somewhere around $tarbucks, Starsucks and Charbucks in terms of cleverness. Bush-lite Harpercrite.
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Moldy Rutabaga



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A one percent tax cut is a Bush policy? I don't understand this obsession. Not only is it trivial, but generally, reducing taxes is a good thing in a massively overtaxed and overregulated country such as Canada. I disagree with 6% as well; the damn thing should be 0%.

Why is it that being cordial and borrowing policies from every other country is a good thing, but if a prime minister shows any kind of gregariousness toward the Americans he's a toady? Are we only following our own destiny if we call them 'morons' and 'bastards'? That's not an independent foreign policy; that's teenage petulance.

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Manner of Speaking



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The IMF also urges the provinces to establish a common securities regulator....and recommends Ottawa include provincial natural resource revenues in calculating equalization payments.

These make sense.
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
Octavius Hite wrote:
No apologies, Canadian media and political parties regularly refer to him as bush lite so its not just me bashing Bush, this is about Canadian economic policy, not the chronic Dave's American persecution complex.


I don't care about the American persecution complex but Bush Lite seems to be scraping the bottom of the barrel somewhere around $tarbucks, Starsucks and Charbucks in terms of cleverness. Bush-lite Harpercrite.


For me, it says something about the liberal Canadian worldview that people need to have a problem framed in terms of anti-Americanism in order to get riled up about it. Presumably, if all the opposition did was explain the shortcomings of Harper's policies, without referencing how they're similar to Bush's, it wouldn't register with a lot of Canadians.

Anyway, I haven't been paying close attention to this issue, but I doubt you'll see the Liberals rushing forward to endorse the IMF's call for a tax increase. The "IMF" part alienates the Left, and the "tax increase" part alienates the Right.
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some waygug-in



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was stated years ago that the GST costs more to administer than it generates in revenue. Confused

It always was a stupid tax, badly thought out and bad for the economy.

Why don't they do something that makes sense like cutting the rate in half and stop giving the rebates... ?


They would still come out ahead I imagine.
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The IMF along with the rest of the global "banking" community should give up their criminal interest racket Idea
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Octavius Hite



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

some waygug-in wrote:

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It was stated years ago that the GST costs more to administer than it generates in revenue. Confused

It always was a stupid tax, badly thought out and bad for the economy.

Why don't they do something that makes sense like cutting the rate in half and stop giving the rebates... ?


They would still come out ahead I imagine.



Thats just not true, you are talking out of your butt, good sir. The GST saved Canada and while I'm not a fan of paying more taxes it was needed. It prevented us from having to go and beg at the door of the IMF and World Bank for a bail-out a la Korea '97.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The GST saved Canada and while I'm not a fan of paying more taxes it was needed.

Evidence, please. It dragged down and continues to drag down our productivity and competitiveness.

Ken:>
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Octavius Hite



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK here goes, when the GST was implemented it was designed to replace the MST (manufacturing sales tax) which was suposed to do 4 things: 1. give manufactureres a competitive edge in international trade. 2. make the tax open and thus harder to raise in the face of public ire at tax raises 3. create a more fair tax that is spread across all income brackets. 4. create a steady income stream to help bail out the government who at its height under mulroney was running a 40+ billion dollar a year deficiet.


Finally, if the tax was so bad and ineffective then the politicans would have scrapped it already as the Liberals and the Conservatives have claimed they would do. Until the debt is paid off the GST is needed and is effective in keeping the governement in surplus. Its an effective, stable and garunteed source of revenue for our government.

Just cause you don't like it, doesn't mean its ineffective or a bad tax, we all hate it but it works.
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some waygug-in



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Talking out of my butt? Well, I did eat some burritos... Laughing

This is not something I cooked up, I'm just repeating what I've heard about the said tax.

If it's such a good idea, why not make it a one way tax at a lower rate and do away with the rebates?

That's the part that makes no sense to me.

And it did and still does have a very stifling effect on the economy.
I'm not saying do away with it,(if it is really needed) just make it more reasonable.

Perhaps I and others are just misunderstanding this:

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=871737


Or perhaps people are counting the lost tax revenue that is going into the underground economy?

http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0797gst.htm

I am no tax expert, but I do feel that the introduction of the GST has been bad for average Canadians.
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Bondrock



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 4:33 pm    Post subject: GST Reply with quote

Hite wrote:

Its an effective, stable and garunteed source of revenue for our government.
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gambling revenue is also stable and guaranteed, but in the end it sticks it to the poor... the GST is another bloated government make-work scheme... it has never been profitable....
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