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Why one hagwon will not hire foreigners
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Mashimaro



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: location, location

PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 5:05 pm    Post subject: Why one hagwon will not hire foreigners Reply with quote

from
http://www.occidentalism.org/?p=430

The reasons Native Speakers are not hired at Jong I Jo Language Institute

1. Most are only short-term visitors and, therefore, lack a sense of responsibility and duty.

2. They have no concept of teaching and, therefore, have absolutely no sense of duty or professionalism.

3. They are untrained in education.

4. They are absolutely not high-quality personnel (most graduate from no-name technical schools and 2-year colleges.

5. It is impossible to check what kinds of people they are or what their characters are (ex. drug user, homosexual, convict, AIDS patient, sex offender).

6. They only just barely teach their classes and do not invest any time in managing students.

7. They have no burning passion for the students.

8. They do not agonize at all over improving the student�s skills.

9. Legitimate native speakers are rare.

10. It is impossible for parents to easily consult with them anytime they want.

* I want to specify that the above applies to only some foreigners.
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wire



Joined: 01 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But we have pronunciation on lockdown.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Foreigners Fight Bias
No Foreigners Allowed: Nationality Discrimination Legal in Korea
By Christopher Carpenter and Jane Han contributed to this story.
Korea Times (December 12, 2006)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/special/200612/kt2006121219555767650.htm

Foreigners Experience Difficulties in Living in Korea
by Jae-Dong Yu and Soo-Jung Shin, Donga.com (July 4, 2004)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2004070522448
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny, but with the exception of number 10, all of those could have applied to the K-teachers I worked with at kiddie hogwons.

Short-term visitors? At the kiddie hogwons I worked at, my Korean co-workers pretty much all had shorter shelf-lives than I did. I stuck out my year, they should have installed a revolving door for the K-teachers.

Virtually none of them had any formal training in English, or seemed to view English teaching as a permanent career.

And is Wonderland now doing background checks on their K-teachers? Didn't think so.
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For their own sake - because stupidity like that cannot be pleasant - the authors of that should be put down quickly and painlessly like suffering animals.
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stumptown



Joined: 11 Apr 2005
Location: Paju: Wife beating capital of Korea

PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No "burning passion" ? WTF Shocked
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jennateacher



Joined: 21 Nov 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should hope we do not have a burning passion for our students, especialy the underage students.
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mnhnhyouh



Joined: 21 Nov 2006
Location: The Middle Kingdom

PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jennateacher wrote:
I should hope we do not have a burning passion for our students, especialy the underage students.


Reminds me of some of the feedback I received on the early reports I wrote in Australian schools...

I was told that...

It was a pleasure to have <insert girls name here> in my class this year.

was not acceptable. Smile

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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread had already been done before (If memory serves, I was one ofthe first to translate that).
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indytrucks



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see the problem with most of those. Fairly accurate, IMO.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That list is so funny. Yes, with the exception of #10, they all apply to KTs as well. I especially like:

Quote:
6. They only just barely teach their classes and do not invest any time in managing students.

7. They have no burning passion for the students.

8. They do not agonize at all over improving the student�s skills.


One of the reasons I quit my old hogwan was because management invested no time in properly managing students, had no passion for anything but the parents' money, and wasn't at all concerned about actually improving the students' skills.
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Mashimaro



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
This thread had already been done before (If memory serves, I was one ofthe first to translate that).

축하해요
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yesnoyesyesno



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

here's the list of teachers they have:

http://www.cyjenglish.com/tlist.jsp

this school is no joke, almost all of their teachers have masters degrees from western universities. all this is also a business niche these guys are trying to get into as well, shouldn't forget that
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Satori



Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all

PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

indytrucks wrote:
I don't see the problem with most of those. Fairly accurate, IMO.

You've always been a class A moron, but that really takes cake. Congratulations...
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indytrucks



Joined: 09 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kiwiboy's sock wrote:
indytrucks wrote:
I don't see the problem with most of those. Fairly accurate, IMO.

You've always been a class A moron, but that really takes cake. Congratulations...


What's the matter? Someone peed on your Cornflakes this morning? Laughing

With the exception of a few, the above statements are mostly true of hagwon teachers. You're deluding yourself if you think otherwise, or you're too stupid and arrogant to admit it. I've been living here long enough to call a spade a spade. If you don't like it, too bad.
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